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PostPosted: 12:27 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Looking to buy a CBR600F, However... Reply with quote

Well basically im begginning to want something a bit more permanent than the GPZ, and a bit more high quality, which im likely to have for a few years.

I use the bike everyday in all weathers and a CBR seems to be the best bike for me, its also a good size beings as im 6"2.

However the problem is, all the bikes i'm finding for my budget (2-3K) Seem to have 20-25K miles on them.

I think its weird how i can spend double what i paid for the gpz and it has double the mileage.

I'll pay that much for a bike with that mileage, so long as it will last me. Is it just the case of if you do the regular maintenence, oil changes and what not, then they can last?

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PostPosted: 12:31 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBR600F engines will last for ever and a day

https://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RwiOyq2Q9-I

shows 100K.

Heh you could have my Carb'd CBR600F (full SS exhaust system) for £1400...
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool vid, I have another question, alot of the bikes ive found have performance exhausts, to pass an MOT do you need the original?
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What year are the bikes you're looking at?

I got my cbrf(97) for 1200 with 16k miles and full tax test Mr. Green , so just keep looking the right bike will come up at the right price.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought mine with 30,000 miles on it. Runs fine.

(Although it's in the garage because it wasn't starting but I think that's my fault. Laughing )
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: Looking to buy a CBR600F, However... Reply with quote

timmyboynorwich wrote:
Well basically im begginning to want something a bit more permanent than the GPZ, and a bit more high quality, which im likely to have for a few years.

I use the bike everyday in all weathers and a CBR seems to be the best bike for me, its also a good size beings as im 6"2.

However the problem is, all the bikes i'm finding for my budget (2-3K) Seem to have 20-25K miles on them.

I think its weird how i can spend double what i paid for the gpz and it has double the mileage.

I'll pay that much for a bike with that mileage, so long as it will last me. Is it just the case of if you do the regular maintenence, oil changes and what not, then they can last?

Thanks people
Tim


TBH I wouldn't worry about 20/25k on most jap bikes let alone a CBRf that are well known to be as realiable as hell.

Just look at it as been broken in for you. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends on the MOT place , if you have NOT FOR ROAD USE it will fail all of the places I've been for an MOT won't fail on noise but will fail on not for road use. Mine is ear bleedingly loud system.

That said watching them they don't keep the engine on for a significant amount of time anyway, just to check for blowing.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOT man CAN fail the exhaust should it make more noise than "a vehicle of the type" should make, ie it's not an effective silencer - 99 times out of 100 they won't though.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the quick replies guys.

Im hoping to buy one sorta 1998 upwards. How much is the original can if I was to buy one with a performance can on it?

I also understand that restricting a cbr6f is done with a throttle stop and not washers?
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also keep in mind that they changed to fuel injection in 2001, so might be worth keeping an eye out for a decent 2001+ depending on whether you want fuel injection or not.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was always perfectly blunt with booking MOTs. "It's got a loud exhaust, is that going to be a problem?"

There are enough MOT places in the world that you'll find one who doesn't mind provided your 'Not For Road Use' isn't visible, and you'll find some who don't even care about that.

Look on ebay for a guideline on OEM exhausts. They ain't worth much.

I looked after my CBR's engine and sold it with about 42000 on the clocks (and the original clutch). The lump will go forever but be aware that things like the shock may be getting a little tired or if it's a lower-mileage but older age you wanna look at original bits like brake lines maybe needing a refresh.

Look '99 onwards btw. 98 is an older model. 99-00 are carbed version of 01 (fuel injected) onwards. Bugger all really changed from 99 onwards (FI didn't make an significant difference to performance) so go for quality and condition rather than age. That kind of money should buy you a very nice example if you look hard enough. Spares are plentiful so don't sweat the small stuff.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

timmyboynorwich wrote:
Thanks for the quick replies guys.

Im hoping to buy one sorta 1998 upwards. How much is the original can if I was to buy one with a performance can on it?

I also understand that restricting a cbr6f is done with a throttle stop and not washers?


Heh I have an original CBR600F can £10 to you sah , its a big heavy lupmp of a thing though.
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, very useful advice.

Can shocks be expensive?

Would a fuel injected motorcycle be better?
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine has done just over 45k miles and is for sale if your interested - 2001 black and grey model
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

timmyboynorwich wrote:
Thanks, very useful advice.

Can shocks be expensive?

Would a fuel injected motorcycle be better?


£85 to be reconditioned , in a place in Halifax £150 and up for a new one,

FI adds +5bhp allegedly and also means tuning is easier since you can change the fuel map rather than the jetting...
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
timmyboynorwich wrote:
Thanks, very useful advice.

Can shocks be expensive?

Would a fuel injected motorcycle be better?


£85 to be reconditioned , in a place in Halifax £150 and up for a new one,

FI adds +5bhp allegedly and also means tuning is easier since you can change the fuel map rather than the jetting...



And with reliability and winter starts, and just generally, is FI better? Im assuming it would be as its a newer technology so there must have been a reason for it.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 1994 lump has done 80k with no major mechanical work required.

The minor fault that took it off the road was a failed seal in the oil cooler that led to oil being forced into the coolant. I fitted new seals, but snapped an exhaust stud while removing the downpipes. I’ve been too lazy to fix that while I have other bikes that are working.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

timmyboynorwich wrote:

And with reliability and winter starts, and just generally, is FI better? Im assuming it would be as its a newer technology so there must have been a reason for it.


You say 'better' but don't quantify what you mean by 'better'......

The ZX6R got FI in 2003 , while the CBR600 got it in 2002.

I believe FI is mostly for emissions issues in that carbed bikes are hard to make pass the Euro 3 emissions standards which apply to bikes from 2007 or was it 2006. Harley jump under the hurdle with a internal valve to go under the emissions laws.

FI has some advantages ie easier to change the fuelling , possibly better MPG (though MPG on a mate's CBR600F4I is terrible) it is alledged to be smaller and thus less weight. It handles high altitude better than a carbed system which will run super rich , though this is 14-16000ft more than you will find in the UK by a huge margin.

But has some bad bits too ie:

In that I don't know anybody who can fix FI bar pete everybody I know can fix carbs easily. And thus repairs can be expensive.

Its a new fandangled electronic gizmo and thus can go wrong , on Hondas the bank angle sensor which shuts off the fuel pump and automatically kills the engine is a known issue.

Also early versions to me at least seemed a bit snatchy, compared to the smoothness of carbs but things have of course moved on.

I personally like carbs, I owned a Carb Mazda you can step on the gas and it'll rev the engine directly.... a recent Toyota Yaris I didn't like you can step on the gas , and it thinks whoa do we really need so much gas .... hmm no lets not give it to him and it doesn't give me the power I want which is annoying the yaris was lighter and same CC as the mazda but the Mazda seemed to be more responsive.


Dunno where you get the issue of winter starts from my NTV / CBR and Africa start on the button full choke on and rev quite high for a moment to warm up , shut it off and then go.
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wasnt sure if FI was as good in winter, well I guess ill keep looking for bikes. Anyway so far this one seems the best https://www.valuebikecentre.net/used_bike_detail.asp?ID=1679
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

timmyboynorwich wrote:
Just wasnt sure if FI was as good in winter, well I guess ill keep looking for bikes. Anyway so far this one seems the best https://www.valuebikecentre.net/used_bike_detail.asp?ID=1679


over priced by at least £500 ,
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
It handles high altitude better than a carbed system which will run super rich , though this is 14-16000ft more than you will find in the UK by a huge margin.


Where do you go riding, Everest base camp?
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

maurice wrote:

Where do you go riding, Everest base camp?


I considered riding over the spine of the Andes and coming back up South America via the Coast......but since job loss my budget for this trip has been trimmed by quite a bit meaning I can't get to the US continent and nor could I find a way to get the bike out bar abandoning it expect at very high cost as the original trip I wanted to do Africa as well.

Northern Pakistan is reputed also to have some very high roads also , which is my alternative trip.

Ted Simon said his triumph tiger 500 ran terribly over the spine of the Andes.

Lois pryce with her XT225 Serrow said from an excerpt that it was terrible no matter how you adjusted and played with the carb.

heh even Mike your wingman's bike in France had trouble in the Alps
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah true, but but those were far lower altitudes than 14-16000ft!

(i.e. 8000ft causing a ZXR to go onto 1 cylinder)
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine was looking to sell his CBR a bit ago

S reg 1998
Standard excent for can and indicators. BUT he does have both origionals for MOT time
WIll have a new rear tyre and fresh mot this week
Dont think the mileage was more than 30k
Think he wanted around 2k

PM me if your interested and il pass on numbers
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 20 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My CBR6 was a 2000 FX model, bought in 2004 or 2005 for £2300. It was an insurance write off at one point on a CAT C for a scratched frame and smashed fairing. The fairing had been repaired and the scrath mildly buffed out. It had no service history and had 7k on the clock. I ran it for two years through winter and apart from the camchain tensioner and me falling off it the bike never really had any issues.

I would thoroughly reccomend one, mine hadnt even had an oil change before I got it and had been kept outside but was still running well and not rusting. If your not too picky you can pick up some belters for silly money. The CBR6 in my opnion is a safe bet, I hope you can find one in your budget Thumbs Up
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