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one1895
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PostPosted: 02:09 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Cagiva Mito 125 vs Honda NSR 125 Reply with quote

Tricky... but I dunno which one i'd go for.

I'm suppost to be gettin a new bike soon and it's either one of these two (NSR '03 or Mito '02). Would like sum pro's n con's for both of em!

Pic of Cagiva Mito here if not familiar with it..

https://www.dmaracing.com/mitomain.html

Laughing
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PostPosted: 03:44 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for the Mito if you want speed and power and dont mind fixing something every other week.

Go for the Nsr if you dont mind having a bland, un exciting bike, which doesnt need as much tlc.

gonna start a big argument, as all the 125 people here a are nsr peeps.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Personally I think the Mito is one of the best looking bikes around. I currently have a pair of Freccias, one of which is slowly going back together, and they are very nicely engineered. Far better than the NSR or the Aprilias.

Not owned a Mito, but the Freccias (the model before the Mito, and they share the same engine) are basically reliable. Problems mainly seem to be people cold seizing them by thrashing them with a cold engine (both the RS and the Mito are prone to this) and power valve problems. If you adjust the power valve wrongly then it can touch the piston when hot which will result in a large bill (may take 1000~2000 miles). Also if the valves stick then they have a chance that the will burn out the control unit. Three Cross will only warrenty a new control unit if sold with a new power valve motor, and they are £100 each, although I hear that they are now fused so should be less prone to frying themselves if the valve seizes

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:41 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

cagiva gezzer wrote:
gonna start a big argument, as all the 125 people here a are nsr peeps.


That probably used to be the case, but it's a bit of a mixed bag nowadays...

Every 2-stroke needs to be looked after, but the Mito is apparently particularly prone to blowing up unless you are extra careful...for instance, riding the bike before the engine has fully warmed up can invalidate the warranty. Also, parts availabilty is supposed to be a bit crap.

I dunno how the NSR can be described "bland" and "unexciting", especially as a first bike, unless you get excitement from pretending to be a 916 and knowing that you're riding a ticking time bomb... Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:51 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

TiN wrote:
..for instance, riding the bike before the engine has fully warmed up can invalidate the warranty. Also, parts availabilty is supposed to be a bit crap.


Not quite. Thrashing it resulting in a cold seizure will not be covered by warrenty.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually side with the NSR in the 125cc debates but the new Mito does look very good indeed and if want to be original it really is much more rare than the Honda. Never seen one on our roads anyway.

But apart from that Honda doas bear the banner of 'best reliability' on the field which helps out a lot especially if you're a beginner.

Go for the trusty NSR I say and if you've got the dough (which you obviously must have since you're considering a brand new bike) and go for a complete repaint/ race replica set if you want to stand out from the crowd.

Also, this has been discussed a million times before, but have you considered getting a used bike instead of new one? The 2002 NSR looks exactly the same as the latest version and is supposedly identical from the inside too but costs much less! Just look for one from a good owner and you can save a lot to spend on the gear or whatever else you fancy...
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
TiN wrote:
..for instance, riding the bike before the engine has fully warmed up can invalidate the warranty. Also, parts availabilty is supposed to be a bit crap.


Not quite. Thrashing it resulting in a cold seizure will not be covered by warrenty.

All the best

Keith


Yeah, ok, I was exaggerating a bit there, but parts availabilty is still poo.
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've saw a couple, and think there great bikes,
I was put of by price and parts though.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSR, bland and unexciting? uhm those are pretty silly words to describe a learner bike that does 95mph. I wouldn't touch a Cagiva Mito or RS125 coz It would spend more time off the road than on it. The NSR, TZR and possibly the RG125 are the most reliable 2st.
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

MuD wrote:
Also, this has been discussed a million times before, but have you considered getting a used bike instead of new one?


Sorry my mistake.. they aren't brand new, they're being sold second hand from a shop which sells new ones!

The NSR125 is early 2003 but for the same price as a new one Evil or Very Mad (£2,995) and the Mito125 is early 2002 (2,000 miles) for £3,000 - £400 cheaper than retail price... but it's been upgraded/modified in some ways and looks brand new.

I'm still with the Cagiva on this it's hella tasty. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats one that doesn't get much attension. the RG125.
Its ment to be a really good 2 smoke bike so i've heard. And with suzuki's silky gearbox should be a nice ride. If its anything like the RGV anyway.

I did look at a few of them and there definetly worth a look...
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

my mate let me ride his yellow mito 125 and i can say it handles a bit better then the NSR but his seems to cut out every now and then. both bikes being restricted the NSR has slightly better acceleration, not sure about top end though.
as for looks it depends what you like, to me the NSR is more a sports tourer whereas the mito looks like a ducati sports bike.
be warned though cagiva are having problems at the moment and my mate cant get hold of any parts from them or even breakers since the mitos are rare.
he's spent a month looking for a de-restriction for it but cant find one so keep that in mind.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd imagine the mito would be a fair bit quicker, 7 speed box and 33bhp.
Probably similar speed to the RS.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotty wrote:
I'd imagine the mito would be a fair bit quicker, 7 speed box and 33bhp.


It would help if it had a 7 speed gearbox. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah one of them, lol
Leave me alone i've had a heavy night drinking, and Hex, the free house comes in handy, i should such a good night... hehe if ya get what i mean Wink
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

TiN wrote:
Kickstart wrote:
TiN wrote:
..for instance, riding the bike before the engine has fully warmed up can invalidate the warranty. Also, parts availabilty is supposed to be a bit crap.


Not quite. Thrashing it resulting in a cold seizure will not be covered by warrenty.

All the best

Keith


Yeah, ok, I was exaggerating a bit there, but parts availabilty is still poo.


Nah, poo makes things grow as it is a good fertiliser. Cagiva parts availability isnt that good.

However engine spares shouldn't be a problem. Bodywork on Cagivas seems to be REALLY tough. One local bike mechanic said that when they take the front wheel out of a Freccia they hold the front end up with a jack under the fairing which takes the weight without a problem

Rear suspension linkages are all decent roller bearings (not crappy plastic bushes). Most of the electrics are Japanese.

If it is treated well it should be very reliable. Thrash it from cold and you can expect a big bill.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
I wouldn't touch a Cagiva Mito or RS125 coz It would spend more time off the road than on it. The NSR, TZR and possibly the RG125 are the most reliable 2st.


I have had quite a few 125s. Treated well the Aprilias and Cagivas are reliable. My RS is almost 10 years old, has done about 17000km and has only let me down once when the filter in the carb got blocked with crap in the fuel tank. It has had one set of rings and a pliston (with rings), several spark plugs, couple of wheel bearings, clutch cable, speedo cable and thats about it. Did have an ignition problem which was solved by swapping in a spare stator and coil, but not sure what the problem really was (only caused a problem over 9500rpm), and had one problem where it wasnt charging (corroded wire in an electrical connector). Neither of these problem stranded me (even without a charging system the RS will happily run if you bump start it)

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:05 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx keith i'll remember to warm it up b4 i get thrashin it Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted the mito cos of its good looks, was put off by a few stereotypical"it will fall apart" nonsense. However when you end up sliding on your arse down the road (and you will trust me) consider if it will cost you a big difference from the nsr.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
I have had quite a few 125s. Treated well the Aprilias and Cagivas are reliable.


Yeah, but Keith, you actually know how to look after bikes...how many first bike owners have the knowledge and patience to properly maintain a bike (especially a 2 stroke)? It's basically like riding the bike - it's a learning experience, and unfortunately most of time you learn from mistakes...
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 17 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nevermind people i just found out that the Cagiva's done 14,000 miles in its first year so i won't b buying that!

Looks like it's the NSR Smile
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PostPosted: 02:15 - 18 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

the best two 125cc bikes are the NSR125 and the Aprilia RS125----------(97-99 models are the best).
i have had my aprilia for like a year now and nothing has gone wrong. my cousin chris got a nsr125 today and he loves it. i think they are both smart looking bike's.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 18 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

vvvv NSR buy mine
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 18 May 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

The mito is better looking than the NSR no doubt Very Happy But I raced a Mito a couple of weeks ago (on a race track Wink ) and the Mito was ever so slightly faster, but i mean like 3mph faster (but it still ended up being neck and neck Very Happy)
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 18 May 2003    Post subject: ? Reply with quote

theres a mito near me and its been off the road more than it has been on it, also a mate of mine has an rs125 that flies but it keeps blowing up, lucky he has lots of money to maintain them,,

i say if u dont mind forking out for it a lot and seeing it off the road more than on go for a mito or an rs, if u want reliability, with quite a good top end god for the nsr ,mine does 110 derestrcited with an nikon pipe,

the choise is urs though
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