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PostPosted: 02:24 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: "Insured to drive anything" Reply with quote

I hear this phrase banded about often...is it actually possible?

So could I (for example) be insured fully comp on an R6 and buy and use (say) a car without taking out further insurance?
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PostPosted: 02:27 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: "Insured to drive anything" Reply with quote

Newbiker0507 wrote:
I hear this phrase banded about often...is it actually possible?

So could I (for example) be insured fully comp on an R6 and buy and use (say) a car without taking out further insurance?

Good question, i've often wondered this, and... i want this insurance.
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PostPosted: 02:31 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: "Insured to drive anything" Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
Newbiker0507 wrote:
I hear this phrase banded about often...is it actually possible?

So could I (for example) be insured fully comp on an R6 and buy and use (say) a car without taking out further insurance?

Good question, i've often wondered this, and... i want this insurance.


I'm pretty certain fully comp on cars means you can drive other cars third party...but I would like clarification on the whole issue (bikes, cars, etc).
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PostPosted: 02:35 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

im insured to drive any vehicle (3rd party only) with the owners permision and on condition that they themselfs are insured on the vehicle.

So you could say im insured on anything. Sort of

I dont know if it will cover me to ride someones bike as long as i have a valid bike licence.

im going to give my insurance a ring tomorrow and find out as it does not state a car only just Vehicle.
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PostPosted: 02:39 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberglass wrote:


im going to give my insurance a ring tomorrow and find out as it does not state a car only just Vehicle.


Look in your policy booklet for their definition of "vehicle"
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PostPosted: 02:53 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: "Insured to drive anything" Reply with quote

Newbiker0507 wrote:
I hear this phrase banded about often...is it actually possible?

So could I (for example) be insured fully comp on an R6 and buy and use (say) a car without taking out further insurance?



Very unlikely, since the majority of such arrangements are applicable only to vehicles which you do not own, so if you bought a car with the intention of using your insurance from another vehicle on it you would not be covered.
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would doubt that a fully comp bike policy would allow you to drive any car 3rd party, but I might be wrong.

Also, the other 'vehicle' sometimes has to be insured already for them to insure you on it 3rd party, but this depends on the insurer. Ring em and check.

Oh, and it definitely can't be owned by you.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and obviously the categories of vehicle on your licence should be taken into account...
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife has this on her policy. She is insured third party on any vehicle that she has a valid license for, as long as she's not the registered keeper, she has the owners consent and it is insured against third party risks.

That's with NFU.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: "Insured to drive anything" Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
Newbiker0507 wrote:
I hear this phrase banded about often...is it actually possible?

So could I (for example) be insured fully comp on an R6 and buy and use (say) a car without taking out further insurance?



Very unlikely, since the majority of such arrangements are applicable only to vehicles which you do not own, so if you bought a car with the intention of using your insurance from another vehicle on it you would not be covered.


Not just you own, but anyone in your household too. I can't drive my missus' car despite being fully comp on mine.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: "Insured to drive anything" Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
I can't drive my missus' car despite being fully comp on mine.


Fully comp has nothing to do with it. My wife's TPO and is covered on any vehicle. I'm TPFT on my bikes, and I'm covered for any bike.

I wish I knew where these rumours started.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once heard that you can take out an agreement with the government or maybe Lloyds (?) that basically insures/covers anything.

It might cost you a few £million though Razz
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember being taught something about that when I worked for Saga, but I don't remember how it works, but I do know it does exist. Smile
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: "Insured to drive anything" Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Fully comp has nothing to do with it. My wife's TPO and is covered on any vehicle. I'm TPFT on my bikes, and I'm covered for any bike.

I wish I knew where these rumours started.


Sorry, hastily typed...

It's a price thing. Elephant don't allow all cars even on their fully comp, 'more than' do on their fully comp. I know it's not exclusively a fully comp thing, but it's a feature that tends to come along with more expensive or fully comp insurance certs. So people connect the two - cheapest insurance with minimal features doesn't have it, fully comp tends to.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say it's more of an age thing - I can't think of a policy where I haven't had it from 25 onwards, even when it's basic cheap insurance.

The 'vehicle' definition does generally mean 'a vehicle of the same sort your policy is for'. Not only does my car insurance not cover me to ride a bike, it doesn't cover me for any vans that aren't car-based. Which is an arse but also vaguely understandable.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

despite some policies saying "vehicle" i would never take it to mean on a car insurance policy i can ride someone elses bike etc.

i have only ever read it to mean another vehicle of the same type that is insured.

also never understood why on a bike policy the other bike has to be over 350cc :-S
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

With my policy i can ride any vehicle upto 125cc third party and have fire and theft protection on my own bike.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC Bodge wrote:
I once heard that you can take out an agreement with the government or maybe Lloyds (?) that basically insures/covers anything.

It might cost you a few £million though Razz


From what I remember of this arrangement, you have to put on deposit 25k with some government department, and prove that you have the funds to pay a massive claim.

You could do some gayness by setting up an insurance company and insuring yourself, but that would be heavily regulated and cost shitloads.

I imagine that most of the super wealthy have special insurance arrangements with large excesses to reduce tha annual premiums. Or just put the vehicles in a company and insure them in that, taking a nice tax deduction etc. Plenty of way to get around actually paying the premiums on your ferraris etc.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: "Insured to drive anything" Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Not just you own, but anyone in your household too. I can't drive my missus' car despite being fully comp on mine.


Really? Does that mean the household that the bike is registered too or just any household that you have residence in?

As for example my bike is registered to my parents house, but insured to my uni house where I live most the time. My house mate has a bike I have ridden on the any bike policy, and I have also ridden my Dads bike on the same concept.. Does that mean I wasn't allowed too?
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:

also never understood why on a bike policy the other bike has to be over 350cc :-S


I think it means your bike has to be over 350cc, presumably to stop people buying 125s or similar, insuring them for tiny amounts, then having their actual bike reg'd and insured by someone older/more NCB'd.

Heres the wording on my docs regarding riding other vehichals

On the certificate itself:
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The insured may also ride for Third Party Cover(section 1 of the insurance)a motorcycle not belonging to him and not hired to him under a hire purchase agreement in respect of which no insurance is afforded to him under any insurance applying to such motorcycle.


and on another sheet, the details for riding other stuff:
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Endorsement 32 - Driving other motorcycles
Provided that:
1) your certificate of motor insurance allows it
2) your own motor cycle exceeds 349cc
3) you are not in the motor trade or car hire business
then we will also insure you, for your liability to others, while you are riding a motorcycle you do not own and which you have not hired under a hire-purchase agreement. You must have the owners permission. We will not insure you if you no longer have your motorcycle or if it has been damaged and would cost more than its value to repair. We will not insure loss or damage to the motorcycle you are riding.


So mine mentions 'riding' and 'motorcycle' instead of vehicle.

Also (can of worms Razz ) I cant see any mention that the other bike has to be insured before I ride it, I'll ask next time I phone my insurance.

Oh and btw, the policy is TPO on a CB500 for a 19 year old, and I didnt ask for it, came as standard, with Devvit.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: "Insured to drive anything" Reply with quote

ncrn wrote:
Really? Does that mean the household that the bike is registered too or just any household that you have residence in?

As for example my bike is registered to my parents house, but insured to my uni house where I live most the time. My house mate has a bike I have ridden on the any bike policy, and I have also ridden my Dads bike on the same concept.. Does that mean I wasn't allowed too?


I think your house mates was fine as while you live together you have no relationship meaning you're not a 'household' whereas your dads probably wasn't as your permanent residence is still with them and you are a 'household'. Don't take my word for it though, every ins co is different so ask 'em.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Re: "Insured to drive anything" Reply with quote

Newbiker0507 wrote:
I hear this phrase banded about often...is it actually possible?

So could I (for example) be insured fully comp on an R6 and buy and use (say) a car without taking out further insurance?


You'd probably need specialist insurance.

For everyday policies (in my limited experience), and "other vehicles" policy will cover other vehicles as the same ilk as your policy (so a car policy will be fine for cars, vans etc, and a bike policy be fine for bikes only) provided they are insured by their owner for third-party cover and you have consent.
By the T's & C's (last time I checked) if the vehicle was not covered 3rd-party by its owner, you were -not- covered.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

asdf wrote:
With my policy i can ride any vehicle upto 125cc third party and have fire and theft protection on my own bike.


As long as it is insured by the owner as well otherwise you can't(unless its a traders policy).
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have riding other bikes on my bike policy, it doesnt extend to cars though.

I'm insured TPFT on my GSX-R400 with Riding Other Bikes

BAsically means for example that i am allowed to ride my brothers motorcycle with his permission, providing he has insurance for it himself.

.. which i'm doing at the moment.

will let you know what happens if i get pulled over and have to produce documents Wink
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 22 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My insurance company (Just Motorcycle Insurance) don't cover their policy holders to ride other bikes, i'd have to be added to the other bikes insurance.


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