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lee8040
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: fully comp or fire & theft Reply with quote

i have bandit 600 i bought it just over a year ago for about £900. im unsure wether to go for fully comp insurance or third party fire and theft for my renewal. im thinking now the bike would hardly be worth anything and i think both policys have an excess of £150. which would you choose if you hadmy bike?
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was TPFT last year and really wished i was Fully Comp as my bike got trashed by cunts.

I would say go FC cos u cant do anything to prevent you bike getting trashed if u park it up somewhere.

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PostPosted: 10:10 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

but if my bike was £900 over a year ago with an excess of £150 how much would i likely get now it wouldnt be much i think
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.parkers.co.uk/motorbikes/used-prices/Valuation.aspx?deriv=4151&plate=56

i suppose on that guide i should still get £300 or £400 in the event of a claim
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

TPFT for me, if someone trashed my bike (Although i ahvent ever heard of that happening up here!) it'd be cheaper for me to replace the damaged parts than to go through insurance. And i think this would be the case no matter how old you are?
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

im torn now
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

With fully comp there is the issue of whether you can afford to claim. A claim and loss of no claims might mean the extra on the renewal is more than you got from the claim.

Where you are better off is where someone is trying to claim from you as well. In which case no extra costs to you if you claim as well.

If you are not at fault it also has the advantage that you can claim from your insurance and let them deal with it, unlike tpft where you would be claiming direct from the other insurer and probably waiting far longer.

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PostPosted: 20:26 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not 100% but if your fully comp and have a spill can't your claim for your injuries/ loss of earnings etc?

What's the cost difference between the two?
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

depends on your own individual circumstances but personally i would never go fully comp on anything worth less than a grand. TPFT covers my main concern (which is theft) at a much cheaper price. If I dropped it - depending on how severe the drop was, I would either live with minor damage or replace with 2nd hand parts. If I wrote it off then you 'live and learn'. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

plugger147 wrote:
Not 100% but if your fully comp and have a spill can't your claim for your injuries/ loss of earnings etc?


Generally not with bike fully comp.

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:52 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just insured the Kwak as Fully Comp, got five years no claims ( every 8 months I get a full years, been riding for three/nearly four years ) came in at 225 pounds...

I had the NSR as Fully Comp aswell, the way I see it is if you can afford it, have it...Just my two pence, I know other people see it differently, as seen above...Meh... Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was younger and had my CBR6 I was TPFT, I figured at £2k it was a throw away bike and was only worried about hitting someone else. My problem came when I was hit by someone else and despite it being black and white I think I got let down by the insurance company who because I was TPFT completely wiped there hands of it and left me on my own. Thank god for legal insurance.

My bike as it turned out wasn't badly damaged in said incident and I could still ride it, which was lucky as I didnt get a payout until nearly 4 years later, and even then the opposition said that since I hadnt fixed the bike I deserved no cash. Bastards.

The flip side is, if I had claimed when I came a cropper six months later (had I been fully comp) for my trashed CBR6 then I doubt I would have got much after my excess and the difference in hike for my premiums would probably have meant that I would have my gorgeous Hayabusa in the garage now.

Its a shame that something you need by law can be run by complete vampires who welcome you with a smile saying 'don't worry we will take care of you' and then when it goes tits up they just want to crucify you and make you feel like a criminal Thumbs Down

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PostPosted: 22:06 - 17 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm paying £275 FC for my XJR13 this year with Carole Nash. I could probably get it cheaper but I like the service I get. I pay an extra £25 for a policy on me as a rider. If I crash and it's my fault, ecen if I was speeding they have to pay me injury compo. Even if it wasn't my bike. Thumbs Up

Best to have the most cover that you can afford imo. Just incase. Karma
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 18 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes we all know thew argument's about paying for it in the future, if you have to claim....
But can you afford to repair/replace the bike if you bin it through your own fault.
If the answer is No then its FC you need,
If yes, then TPFT is your option if money is tight.

Also if you do go TPFT, make sure you have legal cover in case you get hit by 3rd party.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 18 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not so sure legal insurance is important anymore, certainly not if you have to pay for it. In my opinion all you get for your money is a referral to a claims solicitor, many who are free anyway.

https://motorbikeclaims.org.uk/
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I've never had to use one so really have no idea if I'm missing something? Whats the difference when you pay your broker £25?
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 18 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that your key one looks good. Thumbs Up


I have legal cover via house ins which covers all types of claims, so check to make sure you don't already have this via other policies such as house/car.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 18 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Yes we all know thew argument's about paying for it in the future, if you have to claim....
But can you afford to repair/replace the bike if you bin it through your own fault.
If the answer is No then its FC you need,

Remember that often the policy is cancelled with a total-loss claim, which is likely on a £900 bike.
So you also have to consider if you can afford the cost of the excess with new higher insurance. Also insurance companies can often pay out a lot less than it costs to replace the vehicle.

For a £900 bike, I'd go TPO, unless it only cost a little more for FC, in which case I'd go for that, but only make a claim if there was already one against me.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 18 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

TPO was £15 less than FC for me.
Guess i'm lucky FC is only £87 Mr. Green

So the added benifits should i need to claim are well worth the extra, and to be honest i don't care if its going to cost more should i claim.

At the end of the day the whole point of ins is to cover you should you have a accident.
Not to worry and bean count the costs.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 18 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

At the end of the day the whole point of ins is to cover you should you have a accident.
Not to worry and bean count the costs.

And if the 'bean costs' say you're less well off than if you didn't use the insurance, I'd say the insurance hasn't 'covered' you.
The point of insurance cover is to get you back to (somewhere near) where you started if the incident hadn't happened. If it actually leaves you worse or no better off, then it has 'failed' I'd say.

For those with cheap insurance it's easy to say "Go for fully comp, otherwise you'll be left stranded", but often the reality is far from that clear-cut. I've seen enough people that have ended up worse off in the short term after claiming on insurance who have had just that attitude.

If it's £15 extra, I'd definitely have no arguments... worth it in case you do have a claim against you.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 19 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Third option: TPF&T but pay slightly extra for the personal injury cover. You probably cost a lot more to fix than the bike.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 19 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer FC for the convenience of 'anybike' cover (not all insurers include this in FC though).

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PostPosted: 15:49 - 19 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mudskipper wrote:
I prefer FC for the convenience of 'anybike' cover (not all insurers include this in FC though).

Handy if you ever need to ride a mate's bike Mr. Green


Aye, had that on the Beetles insurance the other year. I miss the reassurance of having it if I need it. Sadly most insurers I've contacted won't offer it to people choosing to ride 250cc bikes. Sad

At the moment I am TPO because the difference in premiums, excess and the hike in premiums if I have to make a claim are more than both bikes are worth.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 19 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mudskipper wrote:
I prefer FC for the convenience of 'anybike' cover (not all insurers include this in FC though).

I've often had that included on TPO cover too.

As Kal suggests, I've seen some putting the limit at 350cc for the insured bike.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 19 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devvits give me any bike cover on TPO, with the 350cc clause (and your insured bike has to work as well apparently) an excellent thing to have, and I didnt even notice it when I bought the policy.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 19 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If anyone can recomend an insurer who give any bike cover (especially on a Multibike policy) where the core bike(s) are 250cc I'd be most grateful as my renewal is up in a couple of months.
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