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PostPosted: 18:31 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: CBT U-turn? Reply with quote

hello lads....

doing my CBT sunday and was reading on here about the dreaded U-Turn peeps are going on about?


is it litraly just turning the buike round withut putting your foot down in the training center? or do you have to do it on the road aswell?


and how tight is the gap?

will be done on a cg125 i beleve.

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PostPosted: 18:36 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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is it litraly just turning the buike round withut putting your foot down in the training center?

yes
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do you have to do it on the road aswell?

yes
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and how tight is the gap?

usually the width of a normal road.
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will be done on a cg125 i beleve.

easy.

keep the revs high, look where you're going not at the road in front of the front wheel, keep your knees and elbows tucked in, use the clutch and the rear brake not the front, you'll be fine.

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PostPosted: 20:05 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

They seem to cut you some slack on the CBT IMHO, so it's not as daunting as it appears. Just make sure you check the front and rear before you do the turn, especially on the road.

I spent an hour last night practicing U turns in an empty car park. If I get the bike up to the right speed (prob about 5 mph-ish) I can just clutch in and whizz the bike around easily, with maybe a blip of slipped throttle just to pull it round at the end if I'm not fast enough. A light finger 'touch' of the front brake if I'm a tad too fast. I could do this repeatedly without any problem.

This seems all counter to what I was taught and have read. Dunno if you could get away with this on DAS since its more of an elongated U than a semi-circle. I'll find out over the next few weeks.

If I try to use the back brake I'm either using too much or not enough, I just can't get the feel of it. And crawling around with the clutch at biting point feels rough as hell. I slow down too much and end up putting my foot down about 1 time in 5 at best.

I might do another hour later tonight, just for the practice. Need some food first.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry you'll get plenty of chances to practice it. The whole point of the CBT is because you've never ridden before, so they won't expect you to do anything complicated, at least without proper practice and instruction first. The instructor just has to see you do one by law on the road and the training grounds. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

On mine we did it in the car park a few times between some cones for practice, then near the end of the road ride he took us to a quetish road and did the U Turn there, this is the one you have to do as part of the CBT.

First time I hit the curb so had to do it again, just about managed it ok 2nd time though was close to the kerb again! Then the instructor said I should of done it easier as he said took us to a road much wider than they take you to on the actual bike test, I thought he was being a bit unfair as I'd only ever done a handful of U Turns on a geared bike ever, but he seemed a pretty sadistic instructor, there was one kid there who just couldn't get to grips with the bike and whole clutch and gear changing in the morning practice in the carpark and was getting alot of stick from the instructor which didn't seem very nice (think the instructor just wanted to rush everyone through and get home as early as possible, even our road ride was only 90 minutes when I think it's meant to be a minimum 2 hours).
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

honda_arry wrote:


but he seemed a pretty sadistic instructor, there was one kid there who just couldn't get to grips with the bike and whole clutch and gear changing in the morning practice in the carpark and was getting alot of stick from the instructor which didn't seem very nice (think the instructor just wanted to rush everyone through and get home as early as possible, even our road ride was only 90 minutes when I think it's meant to be a minimum 2 hours).


Sounds like my first days experience of CBT. If you don't get along with the instructor or vice versa and/or he has no patience you're screwed, unless you're just renewing the CBT when it's a formality.

They have to do 2 hours minimum on the road, or that's what I was told. I think some places just take the ones who'll get through without too much work and concentrate on them, particularly if it's a school with lots of pupils to get through. If you fall behind then the attitude is "you can just come back and do the whole thing again in a few weeks".

That's the impression I got from 3 goes at the thing, from "I don't get this" (clutch and gear control), to "fck me this is hard work" to "I think I've got the hang of this"
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 30 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mooserx wrote:
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is it litraly just turning the buike round withut putting your foot down in the training center?

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do you have to do it on the road aswell?

yes


You have to do a u-turn on the road on your est, not on a CBT. CBT you only have to demonstrate skill at low speed maneuvers off the road.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You have to do a u-turn on the road on your est, not on a CBT. CBT you only have to demonstrate skill at low speed maneuvers off the road


i had to do a u-turn on my cbt, practice in the training centre then out on the road. was told by my instructor that he needed to see one to enable him to give me my cbt certificate.

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this is the one you have to do as part of the CBT.

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The instructor just has to see you do one by law on the road and the training grounds


dosn't seem to be just me either.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Difference between a CBT u-turn and a test one is that you get to try again if you don't get it right. When I did mine I was told that I'd been riding the clutch too much, so was asked to do it again.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay,

cheers for the info lads.


im doing my cbt tommrow Confused


wish me luck!
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

spitfire123 wrote:
okay,

cheers for the info lads.


im doing my cbt tommrow Confused


wish me luck!




good luck wrapp up warm !!
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

priestessuk2000 wrote:
spitfire123 wrote:
okay,

cheers for the info lads.


im doing my cbt tommrow Confused


wish me luck!




good luck wrapp up warm !!


yeh!

cheers!
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 31 Jan 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

U turn CBT is a doddle - they're more interested in making sure you get all your lifesavers etc in than whether you need to put your foot down. Remember, it's not a pass/fail, so if you're not up to scratch, they'll just ask you to do it again. Also, you'll do slow speed and figure 8 exercises off road before you go out, so you'll have a feel for how the bike handles at low speeds.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 02 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It always amazes me that people new to riding/driving have worries about certain things. most of it is from other peoples worries caused by them not pracricing enough or taking their time to do it.
Don't let other peoples hang ups get to you.
If I said holding onto the handle bars is tricky, you would worry about that. Just do it and enjoy, You will find your own problems without other peoples getting to you too. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 02 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

perfect practise makes perfect
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 02 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never did the U turn on my CBT.
We did 2 hours in a carpark.
Figure of 8 ect, which I just could not do - I thought I'd failed.
But there not really that interested in that part - its just for you to get used to the bike.
What they look for the most is on the road Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 02 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats for the info peeps!


GUES WHAT???I PASSED!!!


With extream wether conditions such snowing heavly (blizzard)Confused

and extreamly cold....

but i got through it Smile
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 02 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats gud matey, well done, now ride safe and keep the black rubber round things on the ground
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 03 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewC wrote:
thats gud matey, well done, now ride safe and keep the black rubber round things on the ground



handle grips? Laughing

im also hpring that my tyres are planted to the ground Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 11 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG can be turned around in 1/2 the width of the road. Very easy. Just need a some momentum and rember your 2 blindspot checks.
1 good one at the start, and secondly before you turn.

Emergency stops are harder on CG's as the rear locks very easyly.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 11 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

honda_arry wrote:
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messed up - I thought someone was trying to be me then Wink


Anyway - subject in hand. Best thing i found is to practice slow control of the bike in a straight line first, so ride up and down as slowly as possible, setting the revs at a constant (say 2k rpm or so) and holding the clutch at biting point so that the bike has power to the rear wheel but isn't tearing off down the road - then just control the speed with the rear brake, dab harder to slow down, release slightly to speed up to keep yourself upright. Don't be tempted to alter position of clutch and throttle - just use the rear brake to control speed.

Once you've got the hang of that in a straight line, doing a U turn is easy - as it's exactly the same technique, just with a few obs thrown in and turning the bike at the same time.

You can also lean over as far as you can to the left to counterbalance the bike - this works well, especially at lower speeds. But it's far easier to just make the turn one nice clean sweep with a bit of speed behind it, as if you're looking far enough up the road as long as you keep the power on you'll breeze round nicely enough Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 11 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP - Well done and enjoy Thumbs Up

Didn't have to do a U-turn on my CBT either, off road part was just riding backwards (not litterally) and forwards getting used to the bike and gears, practising observations and e-stop a couple of times.
Went out on the road and had a nice ride for a couple of hours with an all expenses paid coffee break along the way Laughing - one of the most enjoyable days I'd had in a while.

Someone mentioned they use the FRONT brake a little on the U-turn - FFS don't do that or you'll send the bike into the ground and for the lads out there you'll send your knackers into the tank and that hurts Embarassed
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