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PostPosted: 23:32 - 06 Feb 2009    Post subject: Had my first painful crash, thanks to some wanker! Reply with quote

just had my first accident Sad

was going down this hill about 20 mph, slowing for a junction ahead.

car pulled out right infront of me,
leaving me no time to swerve,
pulled in the front brake hard went straight over the top,
missed the car,
car pissed off sharpish,

result = scratched to fuck bike and broken collarbone and finger. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 06 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

bad luck oJaXo, get well soon, could have been a lot worse Wink



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PostPosted: 23:43 - 06 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get well soon Mate Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 06 Feb 2009    Post subject: nightmare Reply with quote

did they even realise you'd come off your bike before speeding off?


that's almost as bad as a hit 'n' run if they saw you fall Mad Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 06 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bastids.
I've had that same thing (except not with the broken collarbone Shocked )
ended up with a wrenched ankle for two months, and a 28 month fear of riding that I've only just managed to shake.

Hope you feel better soon Karma
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 06 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks everyone Smile

they must of seen or heard me grr.

whats pissed me off most is i had my a2 test booked for next thurs and now u cant do it! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wankers !.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

might be worth goin back there as the person may park there regulary and find them.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

what happens in these situations insurance wise if where he came off hes bike due to braking hard coz the prick pulled out on him but he didnt hit the car, if there was witnesses there could he claim against the driver even though there was no collision ??
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

why'd you use the front brake in - temperature conditions?
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

c4rlosYZF wrote:
what happens in these situations insurance wise if where he came off hes bike due to braking hard coz the prick pulled out on him but he didnt hit the car, if there was witnesses there could he claim against the driver even though there was no collision ??


You would be claiming against yourself....

Don't hit anybody and you can't calim against them....

You might just get the police to follow up for failing to stop, but they could simply deny ever seeing you and did not know.

A sad moral is don't swerve to avoid. Just hit them Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Re: Had my first painful crash, thanks to some wanker! Reply with quote

oJaXo wrote:
just had my first accident Sad

was going down this hill about 20 mph, slowing for a junction ahead.

car pulled out right infront of me,
leaving me no time to swerve,
pulled in the front brake hard went straight over the top,
missed the car,
car pissed off sharpish,

result = scratched to fuck bike and broken collarbone and finger. Thumbs Up


I don't want to be the cunt that says it, but noone else has. If you managed to go over a stoppie then you most probably had time to stop. If there was enough grip for it to stoppie then there was enough grip to brake hard without washing out down either side.

(I've personally done the same though cept I washed out the front and actually hit the car, only for them to piss off after seeing my bike break through their front wing.)

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PostPosted: 09:57 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Had my first painful crash, thanks to some wanker!


Err, sorry to say it but there was only one person involved in this crash so you seem to be calling your self a wanker.

cars dont appear from nowhere, I would say that there is a 95% chance that if you had been doing something differently you wouldn't have fired yourself over the handlebars for no reason.

By that I mean, if there is a blind junction you could have been going slower, you could have had a different road position to improve your visibility, or maybe you could have braked properly to avoid going over the bars.

One valuable tip, practice having an excape route, position yourself so that IF something happens infront of you, you already have a pre planned escape route. For example, if the car in front slams his brakes on you want to be in a position to go down either side of the car if you need to, is there a cycle path on the left?

Or in this case if the car pulled out from your right going in the same direction as you could you have gone down the drivers side and just overtaken him?

sorry if this sounds like I'm having a go but I really dont see how you can blame anyone else for your mistake.

GWS broken collarbone dude. Thumbs Up


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PostPosted: 09:57 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah and everyone's perfect, and everyone has road skills that are top notch, and everyone's situation is the same.

Sorry, pyro, but I don't think its fair to say to him "If you had time to stoppie ..." and I don't care how many of you lot THINK you could have/would have stopped in time. Give yourselves all a medal if thats the case, and I hope never to see any of you starting accident threads (well, not anyone EVER starting accident threads would be good!).

This time, ojaxo didn't/couldn't stop in time. He learnt the hard way. And he has a broken collarbone to thank for it. When a similar thing happened to me, any one of you would have thought I had the ability to stop. But somehow I didn't. I was on an up-slope, camber was wrong, I was tired and I didn't have the strength to hold the bike up due to other non-incident-related circumstances, so I dropped it on my foot.

No situation is EVER cut and dried, there is no cookie-cutter way of saying "it should happen like this". Yeah there should be; that would be great, we could ALL anticipate accidents cos we could see a set of circumstances about to happen. The advanced riding instructors might tell you how to deal with a set of circumstances, but none are ever always exactly the same.

We can all say "shoulda done that, shoulda gone to specsavers". We can say it to ourselves; we can listen to our friends, our mums, safety nazis tell us, or we can listen to advanced riding course instructors tell us. Doesn't mean that every time every circumstance will be the same. Or our responses to it.

I hope you feel better soon, ojaxo.

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PostPosted: 10:37 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you could of avoided the accident, maybe not, we didn't see it did we? What do you think you could of done differently?

We all have our moments, i was on a main road going through a staggered junction @ 30 ish. 2 cagers wanting to join the main road, both pulled out on me !! i managed to zig-zag swerve, accelerate+ brake all at the same time Exclamation Proper panic mode. Embarassed But we live and learn eh?

Use yer good arm to start fixing the bike Wink and get back on ASAP

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PostPosted: 11:54 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Re: Had my first painful crash, thanks to some wanker! Reply with quote

oJaXo wrote:

pulled in the front brake hard went straight over the top,
missed the car,



Went over the top of what? Confused
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's nice when everyone 'knows' they're right and argues against the biker. And we wonder why legal precedents are biased against us Rolling Eyes

iooi - Again, well done on having exactly the wrong answer Thumbs Up

The fact is that if you had a witness to the accident who got the vehicle reg, you would have a claim against the driver. Although your 2 vehicles didn't collide, your accident (if all details are correct) would have been avoided if not for the 3rd parties' negligence.

If you don't have the 3rd parties details, you can always claim from the MIB on the grounds of an 'untraced driver'. As the MIB are publicly funded, claims do take a while, they will take £300 of your compensation for their costs and you may not receive the same amount of compensation with the MIB as you would if you had 3rd party details, but it's better than nothing.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I hope never to see any of you starting accident threads.

Surely it should be that you hope they don't start accident threads where they blame the other party entirely.

In this case it seems while it certainly was the driver that instigated the accident (and thus there could be a claim), had the rider not panicked (or had anticipated the driver's actions in the first place) he would have also been fine. If you manage to avoid a vehicle while your wheels aren't in contact with the ground, it should be a fair bit easier when they are generally Smile.
As we can see 'not my fault' only gets you so far, it's nicer for it to be a 'not my fault' giving your cause to educate the driver on why they could have caused an accident, rather than why bikers obviously can't control their bikes.

I was going to suggest some 'advanced' training, but as he hasn't completed his test yet, may be not quite... however definitely worth looking into after, so you can avoid these situations in future, who ever's too blame.

So from that, Compenclaim, I'd also say that the 'Not my fault' culture is why so many bikers continue to need your services after avoidable accidents.


Anyway, hope you 'get well soon' Thumbs Up... at least you're not missing out on prime biking weather Smile.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all know what to do braking wise in an emergency. We all know what to do if the wheel locks up
Most the time in an emergency braking situation it is "oh fook, anchor on, freeze, smash"

Most crashes are totally avoided by both or either party doing something different, Hindsight is a wonderful thing, that none of us have. Only thing close to it is experiance. And there is only one way to get experiance.

Hope you heal up okay, bikes can be fixed and / or replaced. Your collar bone cant be.


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You would be claiming against yourself....

Don't hit anybody and you can't calm against them....


AFAIK contact doesnt have to be made for a claim to be upheld against the other insurance. It is just a lot harder to prove without good independant witnesses

May be wrong on that though
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Surely it should be that you hope they don't start accident threads where they blame the other party entirely.

I was being entirely altruistic.
I'm unconcerned as to who was to blame, as I'm not in the mood to argue about that sort of thing.
My only concern was that bikers don't get hurt. We all know it will happen. We just hope not to anyone we know. Or even "know".
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks to the helpful comments and here's abit more info.

i couldnt even see the nose of the car poking out the drive until he drove out infront of me (in a hurry) so i had no idea he was there.

i was slowing down for a junction so i guess i was doing about 20mph.

when i said went straight over, i meant the handlebars.

in response to me having enough time to stoppie, i pulled in the front brake first then the rear but i guess i panicked and pulled the front in too hard, the steering locked to one side flipping me over the front and the bike sliding on its side.

also surely, if i was going down the road and the driver is meant to give way to traffic its his fault for pulling out infront of me?

Sorry if any previous info was unclear, writing with one hand sucks.

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PostPosted: 20:10 - 07 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off. Sorry to hear about your accident, oJaXo. Hope you
make a speedy recovery and are back in the saddle ASAP.

Can you identify the driveway the car emerged from?

Can you remember what time the accident occurred?

Do you have any witnesses who saw what happened or, anyone
who helped you pick up the bike, take you to hospital, etc?

Can you remember the make/colour/reg/etc of car?

Did you notice anything identifying about the driver(or passenger(s)).
Male, female skin/hair colour/glasses/etc.

When you went to hospital to get fixed did you tell the staff treating
you how and why you were injured?

Type anything and everything down that you can clearly remember.
Print it out. Go and make a statement at the Police station using your
notes and point out your injuries and name the hospital(s) and
medical staff who treated you. And list the basic damage to your
bike and clothes, etc.

You might want to take a wander past the said driveway and see if
"that" car is parked on the property. If it is mention it to the police.

Let us know how you get on, if you do indeed decide to pursue it further.

Good luck and, get well soon. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 08 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Towton '61 wrote:
First off. Sorry to hear about your accident, oJaXo. Hope you
make a speedy recovery and are back in the saddle ASAP.

Can you identify the driveway the car emerged from?

Can you remember what time the accident occurred?

Do you have any witnesses who saw what happened or, anyone
who helped you pick up the bike, take you to hospital, etc?

Can you remember the make/colour/reg/etc of car?

Did you notice anything identifying about the driver(or passenger(s)).
Male, female skin/hair colour/glasses/etc.

When you went to hospital to get fixed did you tell the staff treating
you how and why you were injured?

Type anything and everything down that you can clearly remember.
Print it out. Go and make a statement at the Police station using your
notes and point out your injuries and name the hospital(s) and
medical staff who treated you. And list the basic damage to your
bike and clothes, etc.

You might want to take a wander past the said driveway and see if
"that" car is parked on the property. If it is mention it to the police.

Let us know how you get on, if you do indeed decide to pursue it further.

Good luck and, get well soon. Thumbs Up


1. know exactly where he came out from. it was a pub car park entrance. (which makes me assume he might of been drunk or no insurance or something which could of been why he didnt stop)

2. About half 8

3. nobody that i know of saw it, picked up the bike by myself, walked over to my aunties who lives near where it happened, they rang parents who picked me and my bike up and took me to hospital.

4. sadly the only thing i saw of the car was that it was a non-light coloured small car, peugot 306 shape car.

5. didnt see the driver at all

6. told them exactly the same as ive told you.

i think my uncle rang the landlord of the pub earlier and he is almost certain he knows who it is.

so i think my uncle and my dad are going to re-decorate his car next time its parked in there (no cctv) Thumbs Up. we never have much luck getting anywhere with police in the past so i dont think my dad will try now.

thanks for the help and support mate.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 08 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

oJaXo wrote:

in response to me having enough time to stoppie, i pulled in the front brake first then the rear but i guess i panicked and pulled the front in too hard, the steering locked to one side flipping me over the front and the bike sliding on its side.

also surely, if i was going down the road and the driver is meant to give way to traffic its his fault for pulling out infront of me?

The point was that if you slid down the road and didn't hit the car, you could have ridden down the road upright with more gentle braking and not hit the car also!

Yes, the driver is definitely 'more wrong'. However I can imagine you being vilified if say a kid jumped out into the road and you did the same thing, but slid the bike into the kid when you probably could have stopped.
I'm not suggesting I or anyone else would have done better - I'd be willing to bet I've crashed a lot more times than you from silly mistakes - however I have tried to learn from my silly mistakes too, thus my comments Smile.

'Almost certain' could lead to someone actually running into you on your bike if that 'almost' isn't quite... do be careful when you play with fire.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 08 Feb 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
oJaXo wrote:

in response to me having enough time to stoppie, i pulled in the front brake first then the rear but i guess i panicked and pulled the front in too hard, the steering locked to one side flipping me over the front and the bike sliding on its side.

also surely, if i was going down the road and the driver is meant to give way to traffic its his fault for pulling out infront of me?

The point was that if you slid down the road and didn't hit the car, you could have ridden down the road upright with more gentle braking and not hit the car also!

Yes, the driver is definitely 'more wrong'. However I can imagine you being vilified if say a kid jumped out into the road and you did the same thing, but slid the bike into the kid when you probably could have stopped.
I'm not suggesting I or anyone else would have done better - I'd be willing to bet I've crashed a lot more times than you from silly mistakes - however I have tried to learn from my silly mistakes too, thus my comments Smile.

'Almost certain' could lead to someone actually running into you on your bike if that 'almost' isn't quite... do be careful when you play with fire.


i guess il take that as sort of constructive criticism.
il try to think about it for next time, just easier said than done when your sitting on your ass isnt it Laughing (Not aimed as an insult at you)
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