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PostPosted: 19:51 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: WTF... !?!?! I thought it was legal to ride in Buslanes now? Reply with quote

Been riding in to London the last week or so, and on my commute there are a couple of pissy buslanes that I basically avoid anyway as they're shite.

However, I occasionally go in them if I see other bikes about in them as I remembered all the massive fanfare about it now being legal to ride in them.

Well qel suprise, notice has come through for £120 fine for being in one. From the first day I commuted in. So I'm expecting loads of the bastards to come in from my odd daliances with their usefulness (which is next to nil anyway).

Not a happy bunny. Any good sources for whether it is legal or not?

This is in Camden by the way.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are not all legal for bikes - you have to look at the signs for each and every one. If there is no picture of a motorbike on the sign at the start of the bus lane don't ride in it.

There's a similar one in Brixton on the A23 - only 50m long or so but you can't ride in it.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
They are not all legal for bikes - you have to look at the signs for each and every one. If there is no picture of a motorbike on the sign at the start of the bus lane don't ride in it.

There's a similar one in Brixton on the A23 - only 50m long or so but you can't ride in it.


What is the fucking point of that?

Seriously?

God I want someone to punch.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hahaha...sucker. Laughing

I only laugh because they got me too. Stupid thing was I knew it was only a select few buslanes that we could use and I still went and used one that I knew I'd get a fine for. Go figure. Laughing The bikes for bus lanes thing has only ever helped me on euston road and even there, it hasn't made a huge difference. Total waste of time to limit it to so few lanes.

The A23 down south is a fantastic help though, even if it has been made available to bikes for more than a year now.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It goes without saying that I will contest the fucker.

It even says 'We will consider any mitigating factors which may be put forward'... although that probably just means getting rammed in to them.

It's not like a bike ever blocks a bus in anyway. Jesus, they let fucking taxis in them.

I think I know where it is now... might be the one bus lane I've used daily.

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PostPosted: 20:10 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shit. Laughing

Isn't it £60 fine though if you pay within 28 days or something?

I got caught the day I bought my bandit 12 so the previous owner got the fine and he said he'd tell the council to send it onto me. I was caught on 28th of January. Still not heard a thing. Told the council after 27 days and they said that's okay, you will still be able to pay the reduced fine with a fresh 28 days once it's issued to me.

So they said anyway. Neutral
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:

Isn't it £60 fine though if you pay within 28 days or something?


Well yes, but if I get hit with 8 days worth of em...

Fuck it, even paying one is bullshit. I only went in that fucking lane on account of the massive amount of PR they gave the apparently legalising.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

TfL has a list here showing all bus lanes we're allowed on. If yours is not on it, you have to pay up. They usually only charge for the first offence.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know your annoyed but think level headed here, do you really think you will get them reduced/canceled if you contest them? Would it not be worth just paying up now while it is cheaper?
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not good news there bonny_ricardo, I personally dont use any unless I notice the sign says I can maybe after a certain hour but I dont go looking for the signs, I think your only defence is using quotes from BCF where other motorcyclist have said you can, after they have stopped rolling about on the floor laughing you can pay them what you owe them Sad
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ds55 wrote:
I know your annoyed but think level headed here, do you really think you will get them reduced/canceled if you contest them? Would it not be worth just paying up now while it is cheaper?


iirc, if you challenge in the discount period you'll be able to pay the discounted rate even if the challenge is turned down.

There was also a thread on here sometime ago regarding the fact that many, many, many bus lanes don't actually comply with the traffic orders that allow them to exist, so you can always take a punt and see what happens. You may have to get the camera and measuring wheel out, but £120 is £120!
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

instigator wrote:


The A23 down south is a fantastic help though, even if it has been made available to bikes for more than a year now.


Quite a few years actually. I can't remember when it wasn't.
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets say some scamp had stuck a 'motobike' sticker on to the bus lane board just to catch people out. You get photo proof of this, would you still be liable, I wonder?

95% of the bus lanes in Reading allow motorbikes and have for many years, which is nice. The ones that don't are only tiny ones (ie a random separate 100 metre section.)
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Lets say some scamp had stuck a 'motobike' sticker on to the bus lane board just to catch people out. You get photo proof of this, would you still be liable, I wonder?

95% of the bus lanes in Reading allow motorbikes and have for many years, which is nice. The ones that don't are only tiny ones (ie a random separate 100 metre section.)


The scum have manned cctv hoovering up fines. I'm sure they'd spot me going for a look.

Ah well, I'm firing off letters tomoro, with Boris CC'ed.

Boris will help.

One plus point is i've twigged the bus lane I was done in, despite being used every day (hence fear of 300 quid wasteage) was the one time I took a wrong turn and went the wrong way (ie when the camera was manned).

Haven't done that again, and red routes are legal. Tis just that one by work, and it's probably legal at the times I use it anyway.

Ah well, amending my letter now I know its a one off so that I can try and weasel out of this one.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bus lanes should be scrapped.

One thing I notice when in the company car, especially in Hull is that the buses think they're hallowed and more worthy than the car. They cut you up when the bus lane ends and merges with the road, almost swipe mirrors off and god forbid turning left onto a side street...
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 03 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
Quite a few years actually. I can't remember when it wasn't.


I dare say you're right, I only moved to London just over a year ago so was none the wiser. Tell you what though, my twice weekly trips to worthing from North London would have taken forever if I couldn't use them!

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Bus lanes should be scrapped.

One thing I notice when in the company car, especially in Hull is that the buses think they're hallowed and more worthy than the car. They cut you up when the bus lane ends and merges with the road, almost swipe mirrors off and god forbid turning left onto a side street...


I think it would be far worse in London. Can you imagine, 2 lanes, a bus on the inside with cars behind it. Bus then stops to pick up folk. Everyone behind gets clogged up and then try and jump into right hand lane. Slows everyone down.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 04 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guided/track bus routes I saw in Leeds one afternoon looked interesting... How well do they work Stelmer? They looked like the most effective bus lane I had seen.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 04 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I don't understand is that we're not allowed to use some bus lanes but the tourist buses (even when on their way to the depot) and coaches are, when they don't have stops anywhere nearby.
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 04 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give you a sweaty hug on saturday, that'll sort you out.

Not having all of the bus lanes opened up is a bit of an embuggerance - I used to ride up the A23 from Redhill to Central, which was fine. Then I made the mistake of using a bus lane somewhere in Lambeth after the A23, and got fined for it. Bastards.

However, I wouldn't scrap the lanes. Seeing as I get the bus to work from the station every morning, the bus just wouldn't get there at all on some mornings. If the buses run shit, most of London runs shit, they're quite important.
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 04 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ds55 wrote:
The guided/track bus routes I saw in Leeds one afternoon looked interesting... How well do they work Stelmer? They looked like the most effective bus lane I had seen.


They are a good idea.

The central reservation of the A64 from Killingbeck to the Shaftesbury and the A63 Halton were made into guided bus lanes following the success of the one on the A61.

Have a look at the buses, you will see little wheels near the front wheels. These run along the kerbs of the bus lane and help ''steer'' the bus.
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 04 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do they catch you, is it a camera?
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PostPosted: 04:31 - 04 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cameras on buses and fixed cameras around the route.

A general rule to go by is that bus lanes on red routes are ok to ride in, thats not a dead set rule but it applys to most of them.

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PostPosted: 10:48 - 04 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the one thing sunderland got right was to call ours "no car lanes"
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 04 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for reminding me about bus lanes.....................
Just remembered after my bike got nicked i drove the car down the bus lane in Reading Embarassed

I'd been going that way for so long it was just sencond nature. Fortunately the camera is on the other side by the Uni so i got away with it.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 04 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone get told by instructors that you should use the peak-period bus lanes when outside the timed hours?

I didn't but my brothers did. Makes things more confusing...
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