SRAD 600? Rattle?

[m0l0t0v]

I looked at a SRAD 600 earlier tonight for Jamie (jdloyalroyal)

Everything seemed good. Fork seals done recently, clutch plates, chain and sprockets, etc. Receipts for everything. Dyno printout showing 90 at the wheel.

Started first time with a bit of choke. But there's only one thing that worried me. It seemed to have quite a loud rattle. It did quiet down quite a bit once it warmed up though.

I had a little go up and down the drive and it seemed fine.

He did change the engine quite awhile ago and he's got the receipts for everything. I'm not mechanically minded so not sure what to look out for. He did mention something about he changed the cam chain or the adjuster.

Any info/ideas?

no visuals basically as it was dark and taken from my phone
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[Blue_SV650S]

The original SRADs had a recall due to failing camchains (or tensioners) IIRC ... the vid sounded more of a knocking than a rattle ... knocking is V-Bad!! ... but that is probably down to sound quality than an actual knocking.

A rattle could be as simple as a new tensioner, but it could also need a new camchain and/or camchain guides ... we are starting to get to reasonably major surgery at this point ... and if you are not good with spanners, this'll cost a fair bit to get done ...

Did the rattle lessen with revvs?

Finally if it is a knacker camchain, guides or tensioner, then .. it could run for ages just being a bit rattly ... or it could jump the cam sprockets/snap and at that point fast moving bits hit solid things and its game over for that engine!!

Basically if it has a rattle, you need to sort that before it destroys the motor ... you need to get a quote for the work and factor that into purchase price ...
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[m0l0t0v]

It did lessen quite a bit tbh. And it quietened down a hell of a lot once it had warmed up.

I would say it's more rattle due to sound quality. My hornet's cam chain was starting to go and it made a similar sort of sound but it was quieter. Which is why it made me think cam chain.

Like I said he did say he put in a new cam chain or something or other. Will text him and see.
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

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Did the rattle disappear when the bike was being revved - under a bit of load?
In my experience camchain rattles tend to get a bit louder as revs rise initially, then quieten down, while rattles from valves get louder/faster as the revs continue to rise.

[Blue_SV650S]

If its a rattle, then its deffo only summin to do with the camchain ... point is, things can get expensive if it needs a new one and you can't DIY ...

Expect the worst, get a quote for the whole lot and adjust your pricing accordingly ...

There are plenty of SRADs out there, so you can be quite choosy ...
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[MaybeGuy]

get a manual cam chain tensioner for it. i adjust mine when i hear it start to rattle a bit. takes about 5 minutes. every 3000 miles or so?

just make sure you fit it yourself, and dont pay some half arsed mechanic scum (like surepass, plymouth) to fit it for a bit of security in case of a fuck up... because when it fucks up due to their inexperience, people like SUREPASS blackmail and threaten their way out of it.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[m0l0t0v]

Cheers. Will text him now anyways. Which reminds me, manual CCT for the Hornet!
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[MaybeGuy]

get an APE one. i originally bought a brandless one for £20 and the adjuster nut fell off, so i thought fuck this.
the APE one has a more sturdy looking ''thingy'' that pushes on the guides, so would probably be the best bet. at £40, it isnt really much, but at the time i was strapped for cash.

heres a useful link. aimed at SRADs but will be the same for most bikes.

https://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3467

note how SUREPASS just whipped out the old, put in the new and fired it up.
mechanical incompitence.

best way i found for adjusting, is loosen the lock nut, run the engine, and tighten gently by hand whilst blipping the throttle. once it wont turn any more, back it out about 1/4 a turn, then lock it back.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

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[MaybeGuy]

for the record, mine doesnt need choke to start on a normal day, only in really cold weather, and its done 32000 miles. was it particularly cold?
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[m0l0t0v]

Nope. And he bought the bike, then the engine blew up or something. So he put a new one in. And has all the receipts done for all the work done. DVLA was informed of the change etc. All on the v5.

There could be all sorts of reasons for what happened. I bought a new engine for my Hornet. It's only a '98. But there was a big hole on the side of the engine.

And cheers matt Will let him know.
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[m0l0t0v]

It was about 8 degrees so not really. But he literally did half choke, started it up, and kept it at 2k revs for about literally 2 seconds, took choke off and it was fine. No bad signs or anything. A hell of a lot better than my Hornet. Think it's more habit than anything tbf. It was his first big bike.
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[MaybeGuy]

more importantly... how much was it up for?
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[m0l0t0v]

He said he'll let it go for 1570 with a years tax and mot. Got the original can, and loads of other spare parts. All the bearings have been replaced. C+S are awesome, done about 3k miles and got loads of life left.

But I don't know what SRAD's go for <shrugs>
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[MaybeGuy]

a lot less than that if you look hard enough haha.

when i got mine it was in decent nick, and i got it down to £900.
didnt have tax or MOT though, but it passed straight away with an advisory on 1 fork seal.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

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Does seem a bit expensive for an SRAD - that's R6/ZX6 J territory.

[m0l0t0v]

<shrug>

I had a quick look and most SRAD's seem to be going for more...

Jamie did always want an R6....
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'99 Hornet 600 , VFR 400 NC30 '92 , Kasawamasaki GT 550 , '98 Hornet 600
**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[Blue_SV650S]

[J D]

G if you can find me an fairly decent r6 for that money ill clean your bikes for you

[tutton]

Couldnt the knocking be a bearing ran dry? which quiets down when warmed up? Possibly from alot of wheelying or do srads not suffer from this kind of issue.

When we seized a bmw it knocked like that was big end bearing gone, we stuck some thick oil in, it screetched for 2 seconds than ran fine, never felt right after but it ran! And theres a lesson why not to lower your bmw as when you hit a badger at 70 your sump smashes into lots of tiny peices
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