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AdamCBR600
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: CBR 600F starting issue Reply with quote

Was hoping to head into uni today when the bike decides it doesn't want to start. Here's a vid of the said noise: clicky
When the starter button is depressed, the starter motor is doing what it's supposed to, but the engine just won't kick in.

Now the battery was replaced a few months back, so that shouldn't be the issue.

Anyone had any previous experiences with such a problem?

It's an 02 FI CBR btw.

Thanks.

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PostPosted: 09:42 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

A clicking when you pretty the starter , is usuallya flat battery.

But before you go off buying a new battery, you might want to check the charging circuit , ie reg/rec , starter solenoid etc.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
A clicking when you pretty the starter , is usuallya flat battery.

But before you go off buying a new battery, you might want to check the charging circuit , ie reg/rec , starter solenoid etc.


I've had battery issues in the past, but it's never sounded like this. Previously, the starter motor would cut out after about 3 secs. With this issue I could keep it going for 10/15 secs if i wanted to.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

New battery is a misnomer in that a knackered charging system can kill batteries easy. As said check the reg/rec 14.8v across the terminals should be ok.

Hondas are notorious for failure of reg/rec.

Then check the battery is charged , you can crank the bike over for ages on the starter and it not fire.

Then check fuel is getting to the carbs, Bonny had an identical thing where the fuel filter was blocked.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 09 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
New battery is a misnomer in that a knackered charging system can kill batteries easy. As said check the reg/rec 14.8v across the terminals should be ok.

Hondas are notorious for failure of reg/rec.

Then check the battery is charged , you can crank the bike over for ages on the starter and it not fire.

Then check fuel is getting to the carbs, Bonny had an identical thing where the fuel filter was blocked.


Just tried bump-starting the bike down the hill and it came to life, but died at the first sign of the slightest twist of the throttle.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Randomly decided to try and start the bike today on the off chance that it would. Funnily enough it did. Sounded different then usual, with the revs rising and falling. Let the bike warm up for 5 mins gave it a few revs and it then cut out and wouldn't start up again.

Any ideas?

How come it wouldn't start before (just the starter motor ticking over), then second time round it was turning the engine, but not starting it and NOW it started up. (p.s. all 3 attempts done on different days)

Confusing as fook.

HELP!
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a dicky start solenoid , as with many Hondas they cause all sorts of starting issues, flatten the battery and cause random cutting out.

Test it and see.,
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sounds like a dicky start solenoid , as with many Hondas they cause all sorts of starting issues, flatten the battery and cause random cutting out.


very true, happened on the vfr a few times, turned out the reg/rec was knackard, replaced that and everything was hunky dorey!

just have a thorough check through the lot mate and im sure you'll find something out of place.

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PostPosted: 20:08 - 13 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tried another bump-start today and it came into life first time. If the previous prob continues though, i'll take the advice and go get things checked out by a mechanic.

Cheers.
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

am I the only one thinking that a "dicky start solenoid" is a made up term ?

i must venture into workshop more often, if this stuff is being peddled as fact

rectifier is an actual bike part

if the batter has been replaced, its either the alternator or the rectifier

dicky start solenoids dont actually exist in the real world
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a 600 Hornet (carb'd version) and I had a similar sort of thing happen with mine but it turned out to be "user error" in the end.

I was always trying to start it with the throttle open and it would just turn over like yours does (according to your video) but never catch.

Turns out that to start it I just have to put the choke on, turn it over and let IT do the work. Any throttle in those few seconds and it will die or won't catch at all.

Hope that helps someone!
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
am I the only one thinking that a "dicky start solenoid" is a made up term ?

i must venture into workshop more often, if this stuff is being peddled as fact

rectifier is an actual bike part

if the batter has been replaced, its either the alternator or the rectifier

dicky start solenoids dont actually exist in the real world


Sigh I mean the starter solenoid or starter relay , it IS an actual part and the charging systems of Honds at least run right through them as usually the first thing that connects to the red terminal of a battery is the starter relay/solenoid, they rot from inside out as the inside is copper and if they are really bad as with my NTV you can pour green copper powder out of them.

Because rot causes the internal parts to fall apart they sometimes work normally , often do not.

On the NTV and Africa they were particularly vulnerable as they were exposed to the open air and crap would get on them easy, On the CBR they are next to the battery box slightly better protected.

A Haynes Manual will tell you how to test it using a bike or a car battery I forget the exact procedure it was something like connect the big two terminals to a battery and listen for a constant clicking.

If it was inconsistant the starter solenoid/relay was narfed. I believe Sickpup sells them for about 2/3 the price you'd get them at Davidsilvers.

You can also test it by finding a mate with a similar CC honda and putting his starter relay/solenoid into your bike, I diagnosed the NTV's solenoid problem by sticking the CBR's solenoid in it.


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https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190289125736&cguid=784523d211e0a0aad26559e5fcd750df#ebayphotohosting

https://motorcycleproducts.co.uk/catalogue/starter-relay-honda-cbr600-fs1fs2-200102-p-82496.html

I consider it to be a consumable part.
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 14 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really doubt that an 02 CBR has had its starter solenoid rot, even if its something that happens on something like an old NTV.

As you mentioned, the starter solenoid isnt exposed in the same way.
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