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Suitor_Stu
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Triumph GT6 Opinions please Reply with quote

I absolutely love old cars and have always said that if I could justify buying one then I would. If everything goes to plan in the next few months I will be graduating and starting work, which means I'll have a wee bit of money to treat myself to a new toy! My work will at most be a 40min walk (maybe less) from where I live next year so for getting in I'm most prob just going to either walk, cycle or buy a cheap 125, so I don't necessarily need a car that will be able to reliably do 30miles per day. This has opened up a whole host of options for me!

Having said that, I will be a bit out of the way (Inverness) and would like to be able to use the car to drive around a bit and see old friends (we're talking sometimes 400odd mile round trips here), so I don't want something that is going to routinely leave me stranded in the middle of nowhere in the Scottish Highlands! My sensible head is saying get an MX-5, but my heart says something like a Spitfire or a GT6!

Anyway, I'm after peoples opinions of these cars (mainly the GT6 mind). Any of you know anyone with them, or have you driven them yourself? It's mainly reliability that I would be worried about - I understand that they don't perform like a modern day car and as I understand the handling can be somewhat 'spirited' with the older models, but if you keep on top of the regular maintenance are they fairly reliable? Bear in mind that I have an Enfield, so am well used to doing regular oil changes, tighten-ups, valve checks etc so I kind of have an idea what I would be letting myself in for...

I am absolutely smitten with the GT6 though - both in looks and sound...sound clip here

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/1974.triumph.gt6.coupe.arp.jpg/800px-1974.triumph.gt6.coupe.arp.jpg

Am I stupid to want one? Fire away!
Cheers, Stu
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly one of the most beautiful cars ever created, after the E-type, which of course is very bad for making a sensible decision about one, if such a thing exists.

If I had the money spare and a garage, i'd be aiming for one, but no idea what type of money pit they might become, or what getting parts is like.

My dad had an accident on a bicycle in his eary 20's and after he recovered he bought a MK1 GT6 with the compo. It was white, and in those days it was probably mighty fun (when you were actually able to drive properly around London).

He rated it highly for what he wanted at the time, but peformance has come on a bit since then. Someone kindly reveresed into the bonnet in a car park so he had to replace it with a fibreglass one, which is a very common occurance.

I think it was finally got rid of when mum spilled several tins of paint in the passenger footwell. She was popular for a while. Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I owned a Spitfire for 7 years and it was my only car at the time.

Parts for Triumphs are easily come by and cheap although reliability isn't really an issue.
They are extremely easy to work on. Infact most of it is sitting down on the front wheel.

The biggest problem you'll have is finding a nice Triumph. They weren't the best car when new so rot is a real issue. Next to that is all the bodge jobs you'll find on them. Most are dogs after many owners have had there own little go at restoring.

I'd say go for it, but don't let your heart rule your head. There are loads of them out there. Pay the extra and get a good example off an enthusiast.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

flat spot wrote:
I owned a Spitfire for 7 years and it was my only car at the time.

Haha i wanted one of them when i was 16!
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 02 May 2009    Post subject: Re: Triumph GT6 Opinions please Reply with quote

Suitor_Stu wrote:

I am absolutely smitten with the GT6 though - both in looks and sound...sound clip here

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/1974.triumph.gt6.coupe.arp.jpg/800px-1974.triumph.gt6.coupe.arp.jpg

Am I stupid to want one? Fire away!
Cheers, Stu



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BUY!

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PostPosted: 00:07 - 03 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learn to weld.... Wink
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 03 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I figured the rust issue would be the deal clincher. The main problem is that I am going to be in a fairly remote (well in comparison to the rest of the UK population anyway) location next year and what with it being a rare-ish car there prob won't be too many come up even within a 300mile round trip and I can't really afford to get too choosy about what will be my only car. If something comes up in the area I may have a gander, but I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that it will have to wait until I have the luxury of time to go searching for a good one. Still an MX-5 isn't a bad car, I've driven several and grinned like a loon whilst doing small slides on b-roads - it just lacks a certain what the French call 'I don't know what'...well that and you tend to be viewed as somewhat of a fruity type...

Cheers anyway guys,
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 03 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
ZRX61 wrote:
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As above.

Unless you have a big fuck off garage and a MIG welder the MX5 is a better idea.


The mazdas can be rust prone too.... Admittedly nothing like the Triumph, but they do have their issues in that department
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 03 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_G wrote:


The mazdas can be rust prone too.... Admittedly nothing like the Triumph, but they do have their issues in that department


Not that i want to give an impression of non-allegiance to the brand, but, speaking for the body/monocoque, those MX5's have a small fraction of the problems that those lovely Triumphs had when it comes to corrosion... try and think of when you ever saw an MX5 with any decent rust on it (apart from those ones that get parked in the sea).
Have been checking them for some time now, and apart from a bit of pickling on top of the sill (rear of doorshut area) they just refuse to rust..
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 03 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1016 wrote:
Phil_G wrote:


The mazdas can be rust prone too.... Admittedly nothing like the Triumph, but they do have their issues in that department


Not that i want to give an impression of non-allegiance to the brand, but, speaking for the body/monocoque, those MX5's have a small fraction of the problems that those lovely Triumphs had when it comes to corrosion... try and think of when you ever saw an MX5 with any decent rust on it (apart from those ones that get parked in the sea).
Have been checking them for some time now, and apart from a bit of pickling on top of the sill (rear of doorshut area) they just refuse to rust..


Sill ends, windscreen surrounds. I did concede they weren't as bad as the Triumph though. I also would point out the Triumph is, at best going to be 35 or more year old - whereas the mazda no more than 20?
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took on board what you said Phil, and allowed for the age diifference in my comments, just decided that, IMVHO, the Mazda MX5 (can't speak for any other Mazda) is not 'prone' to rust. This comment (to me) implies that they rust 'quite a bit' on average. Used to break my heart to see examples of Herald, GT6, TR4a, TR6 and even TR5 stacked up in the breaker long before they should have been. (well within 20 years of manufacture)
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PostPosted: 09:04 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You weren't at Auto Italia last Saturday then? lots of lovely examples there, some totally original.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
If you want a real challenge I dare you to buy a Lancia Beta....actually I dare you to find one at all Laughing


Nice call...

If anyone does actually find one please let me know, particularly a sedan (I had 3 in a row - love 'em) - said to be only 20 left in the UK.

Both the Lancia and, more relevantly, the Triumph are gorgeous looking, sounding and driving cars and both will be either desperately expensive or desperately in need of the mig.

The Mazda will be far easier to find, faster, safer, better handling, infinately more reliable and, most importantly, will make you look like a big ghey hairdresser.

I guess it's all about priorities, but yeah, deffo get the GT6 I say.
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is about the most complete Beta I have ever seen Laughing
(sorry about the poor quality photos btw, they are camera phone shots of photos I took a few years ago)

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2099/2452442564_a521ceb800.jpg?v=0

It's a Lancia Beta engine in a MKI Fiesta. Mid engined, rear wheel driven with a fully tuned engine (inc custom cam) and a rather short exhaust - sounded like a touring car!

Here's a few more pics
https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3133/2451614193_8a5013bb10.jpg?v=0

It belonged to a friend of mine, he bought it when we were 18-19 after hearing about it through a family friend. It was their son's project car when he was studying engineering at Uni and was developed with no expense spared (would have been worth 4X what he paid for it if it was stripped). After finishing the project and getting it all legit from a road legal point of view, he went off to work - for the Ford WRC team no less - and this stayed in his parent's garage for about 6 years before my mate bought it. Wasn't exactly a sleeper from the subtlety point of view, but the difference is that because it was pretty much a stripped bare track car (was actually certified track legal at the time), it actually had a bit of bite to it's bark! You name it and it had been changed. Was fun for a while, but it was too highly strung and ended up that for every day of good driving you got with it, you had to spend a week working on it to keep it sweet...

https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2059/2451614631_e80067739d.jpg?v=0

Sorry for the foray off topic there, just getting misty eyed remembering about that wee beastie again Crying or Very sad

Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1016.5 wrote:


Both the Lancia and, more relevantly, the Triumph are gorgeous looking, sounding and driving cars


sorry bruv, but just about any Lancia Beta will out handle a GT6 - don't know if that's what you meant by 'driving'. Yes, GT6 had lovely steering lock but rear suspension design/geometry left a lot to be desired (improved briefly, only to return to same penny-pinching design at the end) and made car quite unpredictable 'on the limit' SAH made a lowering, camber altering kit which improved matters for the track, but could never cure it or improve design to a satisfactory level for what should have been a 'sporty' car.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at it this way - people always want mx5s, so buy one and enjoy whilst you keep looking for the *right* Triumph, safe in the knowledge that you should be able to shift the '5 el pronto when you need the dosh for your dream GT6. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1016 wrote:


sorry bruv, but just about any Lancia Beta will out handle a GT6 - don't know if that's what you meant by 'driving'.


Oops - seem to have hit a nerve there...

"Both are gorgeous driving cars" doesn't, to me, suggest that I'm decrying the handling of the Lancia.

As you seem to be a bit anti the Triumph perhaps I should add my own assessment:

I've never driven a GT6, but I've driven many thousands of miles in Triumph Vitesses (my first car was a 1600) and I currently own a pre-rotoflex GT6 suspended Marlin Roadster. Whilst I fully agree the rear suspension design was poorly resolved with much added cheapness, this can be improved (a tiny bit) and, most importantly, they are lots of fun to drive, if a lot slower laptime-wise than the Beta.

It's a little bit chalk and cheese; tenaciously grippy front drive understeerer against lairy, slidey, accident in waiting rear driver.

There again, you never saw my beige 1300 Beta Sedan; that went sideways on the straights, and, yes, it did end up in a tree...

So Stu, don't be put off - Gt6; it's the future...
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, .5 - if you want to get into a RWD v. FWD discuss, I will go (ultimately) RWD everytime, but that means a good RWD, so sadly wouldn't put std GT6 in that bunch - you must have got similiar variable feedback from your Vitesse occasionally? or did you bend that one as well? (all in fun) Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 04 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sour grapes mate? - comment was relevant to GT6 pros and cons so, Off Topic? How So? (as you would say)

Just for the record, I would always pick a GT6 over an MX5 in an ideal world, but actual running and maintenance is sometimes the harsh reality behind an otherwise exciting,attractive car..
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 05 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

1016 wrote:
Sour grapes mate?


?

To continue the ill-handling theme; let's try to correct this thread from luridly oversteering off topic and into the trees and opposite lock it back to the original question - should Stu get a GT6?

And the answer is: Patently yes...

(and then bring it round so I can have a go).
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 05 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:16 - 08 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumbs Up?

... Great post mate.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 09 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

your just stirring it now - get back to your two strokes.... and then sort that Polini fing Middle Finger Middle Finger

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