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PostPosted: 19:51 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: bike fell on to car Reply with quote

Just after abit of advice on what to do. Last friday when i was at college my bike was blown over by the stong winds and damaged a car. When i parked(private car park) up no other cars were around so locked bike up and went to my lesson, about 2 hours later one of my tutors comes and tells me my bikes been blown over. Went outside picked bike up and a bloke from the college wrote down what damage there was to my bike and the car, corsa with full body kit, (dent on back wing). Spoke to lad who car it was and he said its just one of those things and that was the end of it until today when his mam rang me (must of got the number off the college) said the quote is £285(only quote they got) to repair the dented panel and the side skirt and if i want settle it outside insurance.

i was thinking about offering half the money but not when there trying to get me to pay for something that wasnt damaged, the college wrote down what damage there was so they cant argue about it.

So what does bcf reckon i should do.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them you will pay for the damage caused as recorded, or they can let the insurance battle it out. The extra (probably minimal) cost of the repair of the skirt if you lose, won't make any difference to the fact that you have lost your NCB.
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact that you parked up there first and that the other guy has come along and parked up (Arguably too close to you) afterwards makes me wonder why you should be lumped with the bill Neutral
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private car park.

They don't have a leg to stand on.

Unless the UK has changed ?
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Private car park.

They don't have a leg to stand on.


you got anything to back this up because thats what my tutor said and something to do about it being an act nature/god but dont know if these are just old wives tales.
i was also wondering if they can even make a claim on my insurance cause i wasnt even near the bike when it happend so how can i be at fault?
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm start by complaining to the college about passing your phone number on. They have no right to do so and are in breach of the dat protection act. As for the damage to the car ask them for provide proof that the damage is your responsibility. You have secured your bike as best you could. If it was such a windy day the guy in the corsa should have made sure that your bike would hit him if it toppled over. I wouldn't pay a penny.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a entrance/exit thats open to the private carpark or is it got gates that are locked after everyone person if its the former, then traffic laws etc still apply as its now classified as the highway still.
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there a entrance/exit thats open to the private carpark or is it got gates that are locked after everyone person if its the former


there is but they only shut when the college is shut. i really dont want to get insurance involved cause my excess is 450 plus im only 17 so want to kep my no claims to.
any one know about the act of god/nature thing that my tutor mentioned? Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the car has a body kit, there is a good chance the modifications have not been declared to the insurance company....
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm start by complaining to the college about passing your phone number on


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in breach of the dat protection act


i was thinking about that but probably just get fobbed off with a excuse, back to college tomorrow so will see my tutor about. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most establishments have signs stating that all vehicles are parked at the owners risk, so you could check that out.

Since you clearly haven't done anything that could be called negligent, and the car wasn't there when he parked up, in your place I wouldn't feel guilty about telling them to shove it (diplomatically). In this instance I would probably offer to pay half the damage as a goodwill-gesture. If they didn't find that acceptable they'd have to chance their arm with the small claims court. If anything, knowing that it was windy I'd say HE used poor judgement by parking near your bike and should shoulder the cost himself. Also, many policies don't cover 'acts of god' so they might also tell them to shove it.

A lesson to you in futur to always park your bike either head-on into the wind or leaning away from it.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If the car has a body kit, there is a good chance the modifications have not been declared to the insurance company....

i was thinking the same but to find out ill have to go through insurance which i want to avoid because of the above.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your excess only comes in play if you're claiming from your own policy, say for theft. If someone else claims from your insurance then there is no excess to pay.

Can you have a look at the guys car at college or go round to where he lives to see it?

Also speak to them about getting some more quotes, you could offer to do this as it's in your interests.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the lad's at college the bodykit is almost certainly not declared IMO. Many insurers either heavily-load modified cars or refuse to quote. A while back there was a girl got her insurance cancelled for a non-standard pinstripe.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do the old trick of counter claim. he knocked your bike over while parking so close to it. I'm sure he caused some damage.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you have a look at the guys car at college or go round to where he lives to see it?


be able to see it on friday

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Also speak to them about getting some more quotes, you could offer to do this as it's in your interests


doing that already because thay only got one qoute and that could be someone they know ramping price up and sharing the profit.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I would have said that regardless of who parked where and when, the weather and the fact that you were nowhere near your bike at the time, it is still your responsibilty at the end of the day because your bike fell over and damaged someone elses property.

Imagine if say the Corsa's handbrake had failed halfway through the day and it had rolled into your bike and damaged it, I bet that you would certainly be chasing the owner of that for some cash to do the repairs.

It probably not what you wanted to hear but that is the way I see it. Its one of those unfortunate circumstances that happens sometimes.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do the old trick of counter claim. he knocked your bike over while parking so close to it. I'm sure he caused some damage

so tempting but theres cctv which im going to view tomorrow

Imagine if say the Corsa's handbrake had failed halfway through the day and it had rolled into your bike and damaged it, I bet that you would certainly be chasing the owner of that for some cash to do the repairs

most definately because of there negligence of not putting the hand brake on.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:
Well I would have said that regardless of who parked where and when, the weather and the fact that you were nowhere near your bike at the time, it is still your responsibilty at the end of the day because your bike fell over and damaged someone elses property.

Imagine if say the Corsa's handbrake had failed halfway through the day and it had rolled into your bike and damaged it, I bet that you would certainly be chasing the owner of that for some cash to do the repairs.

It probably not what you wanted to hear but that is the way I see it. Its one of those unfortunate circumstances that happens sometimes.


Handbrake failure would still technically be the drivers fault

The wind tipping the bike over is not

I'd say poor judgement on the car drivers side, Personally I wouldn't pay Penny Coin Penny Coin


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PostPosted: 20:50 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:

Imagine if say the Corsa's handbrake had failed halfway through the day and it had rolled into your bike and damaged it, I bet that you would certainly be chasing the owner of that for some cash to do the repairs.


Sure, because it's the owner's responsibility to ensure the handbrake is properly maintained. In this instance the bike's owner parked his bike responsibly away from other vehicles on a windy day (intentionally or not) so how can he he held at fault? He has no control over the weaher nor where other people park.
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain 007 wrote:
Handbrake failure would still technically be the drivers fault

The wind tipping the bike over is not

Not neccessarily, the handbrake could be caused by mechancial failure.

How do you know for sure that the wind tipped the bike over? Playing devils advocate - how do you know that it was on its stand properly in the first place???
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

any one know of a simalar case where this has happend
could only find one but it might be in the states

copied from yahoo answers

I had parked my motorcycle for the night and left it in the car park bellow the flats that I was visiting for the night. The following day, the owner of the car that had parked next to me informed me that my bike had fallen over and damaged his car. As is usual in these things, it can get a bit tricky, but I gave him my insurance details before phoning my insurers and asking their advice.

The conclusion was this. I had parked my bike safely and properly. Since the law runs off of the reasonable man hypothesis, and since I had done everything that could be reasonably expected to ensure that my bike was properly parked, I was not liable.

The bike, a CX500, was not light and would not have fallen over by itself (Newtonian physics supports me on this). In all probability, a drunk returning from the pub fell over my bike, causing the damage.

The neighbour was not happy, but tough.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How do you know for sure that the wind tipped the bike over?


there are witnesses Confused plus checking cctv tomorrow just to make sure

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how do you know that it was on its stand properly in the first place???


cause it was plus it fell the opposite side of the stand
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:
Well I would have said that regardless of who parked where and when, the weather and the fact that you were nowhere near your bike at the time, it is still your responsibilty at the end of the day because your bike fell over and damaged someone elses property.

Imagine if say the Corsa's handbrake had failed halfway through the day and it had rolled into your bike and damaged it, I bet that you would certainly be chasing the owner of that for some cash to do the repairs.


The only difference is that one is a mechanical fault (the handbreak), the other is due to the weather conditions (act of 'God'). If a handbreak on a car hadn't worked as it should, it's due to lack of care on the owners part. The OP's bike falling over isn't anything to do with neglect!

I'd refuse to cough up, claim your bike was stable when you left it. Check for CCTV. If none, say he drove into it hehe (joking).
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 13 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattEMulsion wrote:
Iain 007 wrote:
Handbrake failure would still technically be the drivers fault

The wind tipping the bike over is not

Not neccessarily, the handbrake could be caused by mechancial failure


How many properly maintained parking brakes have you heard of failing spontaneously? Wink
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