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The Wobbly Orange
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 28 May 2009    Post subject: SS400? Reply with quote

Been thinking(pipe dream at this point) of getting into 400cc racing as stepdad has an old cbr400 that would fit the bill. Does anybody know the practicalities of this? What I need and prices? Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 28 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read the FAQ stickied at the top of the thread regarding licensing.

As for prices, you're looking at about 5k for a full season not including bike or van.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 28 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its probably NOT cost effective to get his bike up to race spec (its a road bike and needs converting to race right?).

You are better off getting a pre-made racebike.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 28 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite, but that's a separate issue.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 28 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Quite, but that's a separate issue.


Shocked What the practicalities of taking his stepdads bike to race, what he needs and the costs involved?

I'd say its the most fundamental issue?!!? Thinking
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 28 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes especially as SS400 allows near unlimited tuning IIRC. I had a SS400 rider as an instructor at a trackday once, and he had a ZXR400 running gas flowed and ported heads, wiseco pistons, carrillo rods and flatslide carbs. Apparently it made 75bhp, which for a 400 is a lot considering the big 4 Jap 400's are reputed to be nigh on untuneable.

I reckon he spent £4k on tuning alone.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 29 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue_SV650S wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:
Quite, but that's a separate issue.


Shocked What the practicalities of taking his stepdads bike to race, what he needs and the costs involved?

I'd say its the most fundamental issue?!!? Thinking


Aha, I see what you mean, I thought he was just after general costs.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 29 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd be better off starting in Yamaha Past Masters or something like that.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 29 May 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBH any class is going to be expensive you may be better off with a stock series class and NGRCC and EMRA both run them for 400s.

So could be done at a smaller budget but bikes are allowed to run superstock spec, so chassis modified except std rearset only and no engine tuning allowed.

grab some fairings and should be ready with some lock wiring.

for an idea of cost you are you are looking at £200 for entry fees but £115 for first race then £20 £30 for any additional races on top of that.

with a 400 you might be able to get away with one pair of tyres for a weekend. So could be done "cheaper"

Im prepping for racing this month and things like generators tryre warmers, transponders are need.

acu license needed, not hard but a bit of hassle. another £150.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 02 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay so SS400 perhaps a little out of range. Can you link me the sites for the superstock etc?
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 02 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desmodue is cheap. Well, not cheap, but definately at the cheaper end of things. My first race on the 21st Shocked

I'm hoping theres lots of people in the paddock to help me. Laughing
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PostPosted: 05:08 - 03 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cheapest racing I reckon aside from something like moped mayhem is the MZ racing. That has a massive following you should be able to get a bike race ready for under a £1000
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PostPosted: 09:13 - 03 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparantly the MZ racing isn't cheap if you want to be competitive.
I did look into it, too.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MZ racing is certainly one of the cheaper ones. But the front runners spend crazy amounts, fitting different wheels, slick tyres, all sorts. Although you can get away with hardly using any tyres.

I looked into getting my MZ engine race spec tuned and it was about £800. And that needs doing every season.

And that's without crashing, getting there, or paying the entry fees.

Racing's expensive! I sure can't afford it.

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PostPosted: 17:03 - 04 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazdaman wrote:

And that's without crashing, getting there, or paying the entry fees.

Racing's expensive! I sure can't afford it.

Gaz


Indeed, I don't think the bike buying or class makes 'the' difference ... the costs are elsewhere .... like entry fees and all the paraphernalia ... also a crash isn't jsut about bike damage ... you could ultimately need a new lid and new leathers (or at least a coupla hundred in leather repair) every crash ...

That said, if you can enter a class where you don't need new tyres every race (YPM and MZ) then this will really help keep costs lower. I'd say tyres make up ~50% of the total cost of racing if you got for Supersport or Superbikes!

If you go for a YPM/MZ it is probably only 1%!! But that other 99% is stillbig money ...
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