Motorcycle scrappage scheme?

[.Chris.]

It now seems pretty likely that there's going to be a scrappage scheme to get people buying new cars again, so I was wondering if a similar scheme will emerge for bikes?

Personally I doubt it, but if it did what would you scrap and what would you buy to replace it, assuming you'd get £2k for your old bike?

If I could get the finance, I'd definitely scrap the CD250U and replace it with a nice Derbi Mulhacen 659.
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Chris
1985 Kawasaki Z550F

[G]

A CBF125. Whether it's worth the £20 I'd have to spend, I'm not sure, but suppose it'd be worth the risk!

I really hope such a ridiculous scheme funded by the tax payer isn't introduced.

[Bendy]

If it happens (for cars) there's going to have to be some spectacular terms & conditions and probably a lot of old cars suddenly being bought and stashed for a few months by folks who were planning on buying a new one soon anyway.

It'll never happen for bikes, and it would only be £500 or so if it did - bikes being a lot cheaper than cars.

[.Chris.]

I too disagree with the introduction of any such scheme, but if it's coming in then I'm sure has hell going to take advantage of it! Hypocrisy, yes, but meh.
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1985 Kawasaki Z550F

[stinkwheel]

I saw our local second hand car dealer absolutely pissed off his face sat outside the pub today. Perhaps he is celebrating in advance of this new scheme?

He mostly deals in bottom-end shitters with another year or two left in them at most and has a whole yard full of cars priced between about £850 and £1,500. None of which are currently selling.

If they bring in a £2000 minimum scrappage scheme, he's sitting on a gold mine of cars that people will buy to scrap. Even the really shitty deathtrap ones with a bent chassis and 6 months MOT left to run that no one in their right mind would actually drive.
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[Bikeless]

Personally i think the car scrappage scheme is pointless,how many people driving around in £500 car can afford to buy a brand new £8000+ one.

[stinkwheel]

[Bikeless]

I understand what you are saying stinkwheel,i suppose my point really is why do the government make out like your average joe punter with a £500 car can go and get £2000 off a new one when quite obviously that is not going to happen.

[iooi]

[keyser soze]

I bought my car off ebay over a year ago for £500 had no problems with it. my reason for buying a cheap car was because I just use it for shopping and taking the dogs to the beach and parks. I have a nice bike to go to work and fun on. I don't intend getting myself in det to pay for something that's not going to be used much

[Itchy]

[MarJay]

Won't work for bikes because it is ostensibly being introduced for 'environmental' reasons which don't really apply to bikes in the same way.
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[The Original Muzza]

People in old cars can't afford new cars.
People on old bikes don't want new bikes. (sometimes)
I never really plan on having a brand spanking new bike. Depreciation plus likelihood of me dropping it due to sods law just doesn't make viable financial smarts.

EDIT: Unless some jap bike or triumphs stay in a warehouse for years and then sell for half price like those benelli tornados (IIRC).
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From then on, I and the bicycle feelings deeper.

[iooi]

[GeneralXcepti...]

[Kickstart]

Hi

Cars in the UK already have a pathetically short life, and this will just shorten it even more. Too many people regard an older car as an expensive liability, and would far prefer to spend several times as much on instant depreciation driving a new car out of a showroom than the old one would cost for pretty much any 2 major bills.

This leads to them being worth little 2nd hand, which means people are even less willing to spend the money to fix / maintain them.

The scheme is just a subsidy to the retail motor industry. Not sure that salesmen really need any subsidies. Hardly like it is the industry that requires the most in depth knowledge or skills (next to nothing compared to the guy fixing them).

All the best

Keith
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[Itchy]

[NSR Mick]

The other issue in this country is that cars are seen as a status symbol and most people want a flash new car on the drive.

I must admit I am the same. Although my car is a Y reg and would be seen by a lot of people as old it is balanced out slightly by the fact that it has a private plate that hides it's age so could be as new as a 54 reg and the fact that it's a top of the range 5 series bmw. If it was a y reg fiesta it would be a different matter.
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[Kal]

IIRC There was a survey done a little while ago on enviromental impact which looked at a vehicles complete life

In the top ten for least enviromental impact were old VWs (Type 1 & Type 2), Series Model Landrovers and Willys type Jeeps. Mostly due to their exceptional long life and modular design.


The absolute worst vehicle for enviromental impact was the Toyota Prius Hybrid due to its comparitively short life, highly toxic manufacturing process and issues with its disposal at the end of its life.

There is a difference between being something and being seen to be something. Sadly it is preferable to be seen to be something.

Personally I just wish that the VW flat 4 came in a diesel variant, then I'd be pretty much set.

The problem with a motorcycle scrappage scheme is that I would want Chris' CD250U...
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[Zenarchy]

[Kickstart]

Hi

Yep, many things are pretty easy to sort out. No reason most cars cannot be run for far longer.

Same for bikes. Look at how easily they are written off due to hideous spares prices and high labour rates.

All the best

Keith
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[Thom]

just to bring this old post back up, it seems this scrappage schemes doing some good for the motor industry, a hell of alot of this years plates driving around Durham!
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[Kickstart]

Retail motor industry maybe, but that is hardly a highly skilled industry competing against imports.

All the best

Keith
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[Stelmer]

I have a 1994 Toyota and a 1985 Suzuki. Neither are going.

Just had the Toyota serviced (100k) and it cost a staggering £205. Next service it's having it's cambelt changed for the 2nd time since i've had it.

[kawakid]