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mcgrime
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Stupid actions have multiplied my unnecessary accident Reply with quote

I decided to use an uninsured and untaxed motorbike in order to make it to an exam and it just happens to be the day when a silly driver wants to try and kill me. Yes i know, stupid, on my behalf but the exam was important and tube strikes did not help.

So here i am, a minute away from my destination and i have just pulled out from a slip road and am going past 3 or 4 stationary traffic to get in lane of a traffic light junction i am all too familiar with like the back of my hand.

Then this 7 seater taxi decides to go mad and without indication turns right across my path. Normally i am careful of cars like these after my last accident but the scary thing was there was no road for the car to turn into....so he was either tryna drive over a pavement and kill pedestrians or attempt a U-turn on this small busy part of the road in a 7 seater

No need to guess what happens next, with no indication i drive straight into his wingshield mirror albeit at 10MPH (as i had just pulled out)

Witnesses backed me up, seen by paramedics, police took the bike and fined me.

and the no insurance just generally complicated issues and i recommend not to drive uninsured...not worth the hassle especially if the accident is not your fault.

After my last accident with a stupid driver knocking me down, i am now just set on claiming compensation for personal injuries (which i let slide previously)

The funny thing was this driver tried to drive away but the public stopped him, however he is insured.

I have a feeling noone is going to be helpful but how can i go about claiming against him without insurance. It must be possible as i done a similar thing with my last accident as i only had third party

and tbh not looking for no sympathy, ive learned my lesson....just advice
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confused Big difference between claiming when your only 3rd party and not having any insurance at all .
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mcgrime
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdloyalroyal wrote:
Confused Big difference between claiming when your only 3rd party and not having any insurance at all .


I know but my insurers simply put me through to another company and i had to pay an extra £50. BLD is that other company for your information
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
Damn...I couldn't find a "you gonna get raped" pic quick enough Crying or Very sad


i figured, but it wont change anything
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Re: Stupid actions have multiplied my unnecessary accident Reply with quote

mcgrime wrote:
but how can i go about claiming against him without insurance. It must be possible as i done a similar thing with my last accident as i only had third party

Don't think you can claim if you're uninsured. Speak with some solicitors to find out if you can do anything.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgrime wrote:
jdloyalroyal wrote:
Confused Big difference between claiming when your only 3rd party and not having any insurance at all .


I know but my insurers simply put me through to another company and i had to pay an extra £50. BLD is that other company for your information

How is this related now, no insurance i dont even think pesonal injury solicitors are going to be able to help, as it will go to court, and thats the first thing the other party will say that you shouldnt have even been on the road.
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mcgrime
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdloyalroyal wrote:

How is this related now, no insurance i dont even think pesonal injury solicitors are going to be able to help, as it will go to court, and thats the first thing the other party will say that you shouldnt have even been on the road.


oh wow, i wasnt bothered about claiming for the bike but i figured i would at least be able to claim for personal injuries...

ahh people learn from this Thumbs Down Neutral
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You ride uninsured and untaxed and actually have the audacity to think of a 'personal injury claim' ? Hand
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

swiftb38 wrote:
You ride uninsured and untaxed and actually have the audacity to think of a 'personal injury claim' ? Hand


skeen

for something which i was totally not to blame for and did not cause...yes i did think so
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wont hold up in court, you should never have been on the road in the first place.
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G
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I know, there should be no issue with your claim really.

Claiming from a third party has absolutely nothing to do with your insurance, unless you're actually claiming from your own fully comp insurance and expecting them to claim against the third party.

The issue will be how much trouble you are in with the police if you get done.

Lesson to be learnt is that if you're doing one thing dodgy... make sure everything else is squeaky clean (ie looking out for stupid drivers)!
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgrime wrote:
swiftb38 wrote:
You ride uninsured and untaxed and actually have the audacity to think of a 'personal injury claim' ? Hand


skeen

for something which i was totally not to blame for and did not cause...yes i did think so


There wouldnt have been an accident if you weren't illegally riding on the road.
If you rammed into the back of someone in a car and they were unisured and untaxed, yet they tried to claim for whiplash what would you have to say about that? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
From what I know, there should be no issue with your claim really.

Claiming from a third party has absolutely nothing to do with your insurance, unless you're actually claiming from your own fully comp insurance and expecting them to claim against the third party.

The issue will be how much trouble you are in with the police if you get done.

Lesson to be learnt is that if you're doing one thing dodgy... make sure everything else is squeaky clean (ie looking out for stupid drivers)!


this was my initial thought, because the last time nothing went through my insurance company and it was all claimed via another company (BLD)

the trouble with the police i have accepted and taken it on the chin

but as for no accident if i was not illegally driving, imagine if i had been driving with insurance and it wasnt my fault like now.....It wouldnt go through my insurers it would go through the at fault drivers insurance.

....this was my process of thought Confused
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrong, it would go through your insurers, as they'd be the ones chasing up the payment and case...
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mcgrime
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Wrong, it would go through your insurers, as they'd be the ones chasing up the payment and case...


no lol thats what i am trying to say. my insurers simply passed me onto another company to deal with my claim, they did no chasing up what so ever. I paid an extra amount for it to be dealt with through another party and my insurance company kept itself out
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether you did or didnt have insurance doesnt matter as the taxi driver could have pulled out on someone else and was out of order, then if they had the audacity to try and leave, they need to be done by the police as think who else they have done that to and who else they may do it to in the future.

Personally if your going to be stupid and ride an uninsured untaxed bike, you shouldnt have been filtering and just left earlier and sat in the traffic but made use of the transport. If your going to be a criminal be a clever criminal.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Wrong, it would go through your insurers, as they'd be the ones chasing up the payment and case...

Why would the insurers be chasing up the case if he was only TPO or TPFT? They have no interest in it at all, apart from to try and sell his 'claim' to some no-win, no-fee company, for which they may well get paid more than they did for the policy in the first place!
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well they do that dont they, the ambulance chasers that are related to the insurance company are always phoning up around 5 times after a accident checking about any injuries they can claim for you for.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

With a conventional 3rd party claim against another driver, your own insurance is irrelevant (and I have had to claim myself as a 3rd party). You insurance just covers your liability from causing damage or injury.

All the best

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mcgrime
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

With a conventional 3rd party claim against another driver, your own insurance is irrelevant (and I have had to claim myself as a 3rd party). You insurance just covers your liability from causing damage or injury.

All the best

Keith


oh thanks. this is more realistic from my past experience.

Have you got any recommendations and i dont particulary want to use bikers legal defense as they are still chasing up the insurers from my non liability accident last year september?
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what injuries did you suffer then?
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just read through this thread and my God, you don't half get a lot of shit advice on this forum.

How many people got it wrong before Kickstart chimed in?
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdloyalroyal wrote:
So what injuries did you suffer then?


grazes all along the left side of my body = minor
cut on the bone in my ankle = painful but minor
cant move my neck to the right without stiffness = whiplash
my back aches whilst lying down, standing up etc = medium/severe

nothing overly major but after the last time i got into a accident and i let it slide because i was ultimately ok. i decided i will definately claim the next time

the funny thing is, it was like Deja vu.

going about the same speed (15MPH). driver not looking. turning infront of my path. hitting the front end of the veichle
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 10 Jun 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what happens now if the liability is disputed,
and it turns out anything less than 100% in the ops favour?
Say for example the other driver claimed off you for the damage anyone know what would happen from here, wouldnt he have to go to the mib for payment?
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