Trackdays and crashes

[Bishbash]

A quick question,

Has anyone had the scenario where someone or someones bike hits you on a trackday and causes you to crash? Neither of you has track insurance. What could you do as the so called victim to claim back the damages caused by the other party?

Is it simply tough luck or can you make him pay somehow?

It's not happened to me, I am just wondering.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Legally you could possibly try sueing them, but it would be difficult and expensive, and any success would help to kill of track days.

Reality is "tuff luck".

All the best

Keith
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[h00dwink]

I was of the oppinion you're putting yourself in that sort of dangerous situation and have signed disclaimers to accept the outcome of whatever happens.
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Tough luck, I've nearly been taken out before.

I would apologise and maybe offer them some money if it was all my fault, but that's just me.

If I was hit then it would probably be fisticuffs in the gravel trap.
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[Bishbash]

Thought it might be a tough luck scenario.

So, punch up it will be then!

Thanks for the replies.
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Unfortunaley I've twice taken people out when racing.
Once I didn't feel so bad about, as the same person had taken Jon out earlier in the weekend apparently (forced him off the track).
Jon had taken me out at a previous race weekend (also staying on himself), leaving some kind of karmic triangle.
The other time my tyres slid while I was taking it very easy and someone went around the outside of me. Not much damage done, but not much I could do about it - I hadn't realised these (brand new) tyres were so terrible from cold.

Trackdays I'd hope I wouldn't do anything that would put anyone else in danger. Probably would offer some cash if I had, but wouldn't expect the same returned.
Twice I've been in contact with another bike at Trackdays - once a faster rider cut across my less-tight line, so my mudguard just hit their rear tyre. The other ran over my rear wheel, causing me to loose traction momentarily - he broke his shoulder from it, I've got a feeling, but I stayed on. Bit silly going to overtake in a tight chicane when you've got a bike 400cc bigger anyway!

[garth]

TBH it's a track day, it's not racing. They really shouldn't be doing overtakes that cause you to take drastic measures.

But yeah, tough luck pretty much. Buy a cheap trackbike!
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[DynaMight]

Never seen it in the 10 or so trackdays I've attended, had one where someone crashed to avoid someone and seen a few almosts. A friend got 'pushed' off the track by someone who went wide.

I saw one on another forum where a guy went in way to hot (caught on a seq of pics) and completely off line, lost the front and took out someone. The person who caused the accident agreed to pay for the parts of the person who he crashed into.

It's a risk we all take. I would never condone anyone trying to sue the track/trackday company but if there's clear evidence that someone has crashed into you then you may have a claim against the individual.
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[Bishbash]

Thanks Dynamight,

That's pretty much what I was thinking, obviously trackdays and racing is dangerous, but never really heard anyone speak of being crashed into and what happened after.

All down the the chap/chap-ess on the bike I suppose.

But, thinking about it, if I crashed into someone and it was completely my fault, I think I would give them some cash for my mistake.
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[Ste]

Not a trackday, but things turn nasty after a crash on a race practise day.

[Ben RVF]

Its defo a tough luck situation. I was taken out by bradly smith in spain (cartagena) last december. He t-boned me on the way into the first right hander and sent me flying. He didnt think it was his fault although luckily they recorded it on cctv and it was obvious he outbraked himself.

If you are on good terms with the rider and discuss it you are more likely to get something from them but which I have seen before but most of the time you accept the risk.

I was also taken out by someone at cadwell this year in thundersport gb. He highsided in front of me and I went head on into his bike as i had no where to go. I woke up in the med centre with no bike left and no comeback.

Bikes are risky, I have seen so many wankers on track days who think its a race and try and block you when you are way faster than them, only to have them brush past you 40mph quicker after the chequered flag when you are cruising nearly causing a serious crash.

Unfortunately if you love bikes and want to ride on track you put yourself in the way of other peoples stupidity and mistakes.
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[D O G]

I remember at Cadwell some guy in the fast group (always the fast group who crash lots), stuffed it up the inside of another guy far too speculatively at the 1st righthander as you go up the hill after the left just after the start finish straight.

Utterly took the other rider out, damaging his bike, and therefore wasting the rest of the day (2nd session accident) to boot.

The guy who was lending me their shelter was following them at the time, stated it was 100% the overtaker's fault.

Said overtaker was then heard complaining loudly about the other guy who 'shut the door' when he was clearly 'much much faster'.

Bloke who was following promptly gave him a huge earful in front of all his mates about riding like a cock. He was appropriately subdued.

Still, no money changed hands.

Personally I would not expect any cash if someone took me out.

I think the Inters group is safe enough - people generally know what they're doing, but are also fairly cautious about passing.

If I ever make it to the fast group, it will be on a dedicated track bike which I wouldn't mind dropping.

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[Bishbash]

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[garth]

I doubt that was a dig, but the grouping can get a bit silly.

Don't even get me started on straight line heroes... I was really downhearted at the end of my last Snetterton TD by being absolutely anihilated in a straight line to be held up in the corners. I'd never ridden the track before and was in inters - god knows what novice would've been like.

I'd have to say I don't think most crashes are in the fast group. I think pretty much every TD I've been on someone in novice has crashed on the first session out.

At the end of the day there are alot of dicks out there. If you add testosterone to the mix it only gets worse...
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

I agree completely with G on this one.

I've never felt safer on track than when I've been in the advanced group, even though they pass very close and I've been hit before I still felt much safer than when I was in the novice and inter groups.

Purely because in the fast group everyone tends to have more experience, and know where they should be at any point on the track. They also know where and when to overtake.
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[Bishbash]

[silky666]

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Yes, saying that you're right to an extent it happened on a few of the days I've been on, but I still feel safest out in advanced.

I would have said you're more likely to be taken out in Novice.
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[G]

What companies were they with? To add to my general dislike of Focused Events, this sort of behaviour seemed more likely with them.

Not sure I've been on a trackday where the fast group have got a telling off, though have been at a few race practices, though that's more reasonable if people are 'practising racing' .

Never been to Castle Coombe, Brands sometimes has some wannabe heroes in the fast group, especially the GP circuit, but Cadwell tends to have a slightly more sophisticated clientèle .

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Don't get me started on focused events.
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[silky666]

[Wave2k]

Focused events ahhh, telling us not to overtake anyone too close, as it was a 4 day trackday, not a race open pitlane, slow and fast riders etc.

Minutes later im overtaken by Steve Plater inches to spare, my question is, how could he assume im not a noob, how could he assume a stranger wont move off line with leaving me that much space ?

A professional rider causing an accident on a trackday ? NEVER, and if i did crash into him id have looked a right cunt, because its never a professional riders fault.

utter cock.
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