Court in 8 hours (edited title)

Tristan. · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 May 2007 Karma :

OK so I did something silly the other night, got pulled over and taken into the back of a non-traffic police car.

After plenty of details and paperwork being done I'm told they'll file a report, and the court decides whether a case will be brought. The policeman said he's going to do me for driving without due care and attention, was sent on my way and told I'll get a court summons at some point, when I asked when he said he wasn't sure.

So couple questions, firstly I wasn't given anything, should I of been? I thought this was exactly what NIPs where for.
Secondly, if he said I'm being done for due care and attention, is there any chance when it's looked at by whoever looks at it that it can be upgraded to dangerous driving.
Also any ideas on how long till the summons gets here?

Oh yeah, and when I get my summons I'm gonna retake my CBT before the court date. It's legal to do a CBT on a 600 isn't it? I'm pretty sure CBT's don't get revoked, cos they're not on your liscence.

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Tristan. · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 May 2007 Karma :

I'm pretty sure you don't lose your CBT, it's not on your licence, it's a seperate thing. You just need a licence to do it.

As for the other thing, I'm trying to find the actual wording of the CBT law but I think it's a loophole that you can do it on any bike you're licenced to ride, and up untill my court date I will be licenced to ride my FZR. Though even if it isn't legal when I took a mate to do his CBT the local training school had some guy doing it on a GSXR750 in the same situation as me, so if they let you do it it doesn't really matter what the law says.

R6jonny · Nearly there... Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Karma :

Firstly if you are stopped and told you are going to be reported you will receive the "NIP" there and then. There is no requirement to get another form or anything.

I would have thought it unlikely to be upgraded to dangerous, but stranger things have happened. Any more information about the alleged offence?

I may have missed something here but why would you want to do your CBT again?

edit: you will normally receive your summons within 6 months but that limit is for police to lay the evidence in front of the court rather than tell you anything/have the trial.
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Tristan. · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 May 2007 Karma :

Offence was a wheely. They where more than fair though, but I definatly wasn't given anything at the scene except for a rectification notice for a flickering tail light

My CBT ran out, so I'm assuming I'll get 6 points or more and have my liscence revoked, if I do my CBT before the court date then I wont have to do it once my licence has been revoked, just theory and test.

R6jonny · Nearly there... Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Karma :

Ok fair enough, the definition of dangerous driving is that the standard of driving was far below that expected of a safe and competent driver and would be obvious to said driver that the standard was far below if that makes sense.

It must have been likely to cause serious injury or damage to property.

Fingers crossed for 5 points Wink

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s44678 · Guest

That's a bastard having to do the CBT again. I didn't think it worked like that, but I suppose if you have to re-take your test and you need a CBT to take the test, then it makes sense.

Tristan. · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 May 2007 Karma :

To be fair, I deserve whatever I get, I do take the piss quite a lot, and have been stupidly lucky up till now (got a 'don't do it again' for a much shitter wheelie a few months ago)

Annoyingly I nearly did my tractor licence test last summer, but the examiner was ill and it was cancelled. If I had that on my licence I'd only have to redo that to get all entitlements back, and it's a piece of piss.

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

The conversation at the road counts as a verbal NIP. You only need a written one (to normally arrive within 14 days) when you are not given a verbal one.

Not sure that the revocation of a licence under the 6 point limit would wipe out a CBT done just prior to your licence being revoked, but as I understand it if your CBT that you had before you test is still within date you do still need to retake it.

All the best

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yuri2085 · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Jul 2008 Karma :

Are you sure doing your tractor test after licence is lost gives you all entitlements back? :s

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

T0MMY · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Jun 2008 Karma :

It's absolutely ridiculous that you have to redo your CBT. I had to redo mine when I was young and stupid and lost my licence. What the hell do you gain wobbling around a car park on a scooter when you've been a full licence holder and been riding bikes for, in my case, 4 years?
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Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

Presumably you could try and get your tractor test done and passed before the court date, then you're sorted. Retake on a tractor.

The View Askew · World Chat Champion Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Karma :

Wobbling on the scooters is a common, they are really alien to ride slow and in a figure 8 after having been riding other machines for a while.

I think its because of the tiny wheels.
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s44678 · Guest

I think I'd struggle to do the CBT on my bike. It's heavy, has the turning circle of a bus and would probably overheat with all that messing about at 5 mph.

That's interesting about the tractor license though. I wonder if there are any other 'easy' entitlements you could have on your license just for the purpose of getting the rest back if you got it revoked?

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cyberglass · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Karma :

No need to do a cbt again just take and pass a car/tractor test which will give you back you licence and all its entitlements Thumbs Up

If i were you i would plead my case make the judge think you have learned your lesson
eg i understand it was reckless but i was enjoying the ride so much i got a little carried away BUT you were in full control at all times.

A mate only got 3 points and £60 for a wheelie although they classed it as exhibition of acceleration or something silly.
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Tristan. · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 May 2007 Karma :

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Tristan. · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 May 2007 Karma :

Got my summons today, court date is a week on monday.

Any South westoners fancy a ride out next monday Razz

moral support/laughing at my misfortune.

One thing, I probably wont bother with it, but on both police statements they state I had the wheel up for 3 seconds, and covered a distance of around 15 metres. This would make my average speed 11 mph, which is completely wrong. I wont bother mentioning it, but could you use that to attempt to worm your way out through technicalities?