Changing up without the clutch

[AppleJoe]

When accelerating hard, I just go through the gears without using the clutch. Never thought much of it, but is it bad for the gearbox / the bike in general?
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[Flip]

It's fine. Just don't do it going down.

[The Tot]

It's fine when done properly. But always use your clutch between 1st and 2nd to prevent going into neutral.
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[AppleJoe]

Good good. Titz - what do you mean 'done properly'? I've never actually seen it done or read about it (I just discovered it one day) so have no idea how it's meant to be done
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[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

I've never had any problems doing it, i make sure its a firm upshift.
But would like to know the actual mechanics of a clutchless gearchange compared to normal changes. Keep it simple please.


Pat

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made the effort and did some searches..lots of info already
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[S1KE]

ive always done it changing up, but never down, for obv reasons,

get a quickshifter kit and u wont have to back of the throttle before you knock it up
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[bEN_]

No need to do it going down on the road although it's not any harder.

i'm not sure about done 'properly' but all i do on a bike is put abit of pressure on the lever before changing up so it's smoother and less of a 'clunk' feeling when rolling off/shutting off the throttle.
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[The Tot]

Well i back off the throttle to the point where the bike is neither accelerating nor decelerating, just a slight flick of the rigth hand forwards, and you snick it up into gear.

I've seen people, and I admit when i was first doing it, I used to let off the throttle for a prolonged period of time before i snicked it up and it used to go in with a clunk.

My motion now is, when i roll off the right hand, my left foot is placed right under the shifter. Once I dip the throttle, next gear is enganged. Make sure you do it swiftly though... well that's what i meant by doing it properly.

You do see people doing it incorrectly - it's not a fine art or anything; just practise and feeling.
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[MinhDinh]

Wow i use the clutch all the time. I didn't even realise it was possible to shift up gears without the clutch without any problems.
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[Acemastr]

i do it on the 125, problem is it tends to 'lurch' forward when i do it, need some more practice i think!
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

It won't hurt it. The exact technique varies from bike to bike, but what I do is apply upward pressure to the lever then slightly chop the throttle and it'll just snick up. With different bikes you can get away with shuting off different amounts.
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

My GSXR 400 was terrible for it too. Hornet wasn't as bad, and not had problems since.
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[ajb]

My CB500 sometimes used to find a false neutral between 5th and 6th when clutchless upshifting. The rev needle would whizz up to the top followed by a massive clunk as it engaged into 6th lol

I've never done down shifts without a clutch, unsure on the exact method.
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[MaybeGuy]

[Tristan.]

On my CB I just stamp on the lever, but thats cos my CB is magic

[0ddball]

Why would anyone be in such a hurry that they would need to do it on the downshift?

You're pulling into Tesco's carpark not braking for the Melbourne hairpin.

[Tristan.]

Because I can.

[KevTM]

yeah i still use clutch on downshifts, little blip of the throttle, scare the little pedestrians.. more fun.

[Method]

Havent used the clutch for changing gears (other than 1st/2nd gear to avoid neutral) for years now.

It takes a while to get used to downshifting without, but its very smooth when you get it right. Upshifting is easy!

Just take your time if your wanting to learn how to downshift, get it wrong and you could have your mid-regions against the tank quite hard
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[Faldo]

I never even think about changing gear, I just do it. Very rarely use the clutch for up or down shifting. Only use clutch for down shifting if I'm attempting some rather heroic engine braking.
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[Kal]

Get it wrong and the gearbox will lunch itself, I am efficent enough at detonating engines without blowing up the gearbox as well.

Personally I cannot see the point, I have heard it said many, many times that clutchless is faster and smoother - but to be honest with you my clutch control is smooth enough that I don't have pillions hitting me in the back of the head when upshifting/downshifting and sharp enough that Superdream willing I am about as quick as I want to be off the line in the traffic light Grandgrix.

Yes racers do it on the track but then their bikes get a rebuilt between rides and they spend more on spares for a meet then then entire value of my garage.
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