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PostPosted: 13:21 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Should I encourage her? Reply with quote

I was stuck between General Bike chat and Dear Aunty BCF for this post but since it is bike related I picked here.

My daughter turns 16 in April and she really wants to get a bike of her own. The only thing making me worry is the fact she has learning difficulties which whilst not overly severe have been enough to keep her out of mainstream school.

I've always encouraged her to try and do everything she wants and not let her disabilities get in her way but I am very worried about her safety. Her balance and coordination have never been brilliant and I'm presently out with her as much as possible on the push bikes trying to build it up.

The CBT itself will be as much of a challenge for her as the full test is for most of us, and because her reading isn't perfect I can't just give her books to read on it unless I'm there to assist with the reading.

My parental instincts tell me to back her and let her be everything she can be but there is still a little part of me that thinks it might be to much for her just yet.

What I'm basically asking is a view from other motorists, people who will have to share the road with her. Encourage or discourage? and if the former is there anything else I can do to help her learn.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's shown signs of wanting to get out on 2 wheels. She'll do it anyway, why not help and make sure she does it properly?
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:39 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does she want a 50cc geared motorcycle for fun or 50cc scooter for a transport measure?
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

She wants a geared but in all seriousness I think an auto would be the best place for her to start.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd guess the balance issue is lessened on a powered bike, seeing as she'd not be shifting her weight left and right just to get the thing moving. Her learning disability might make the theoretical side hard work, but would I be right in thinking that would be more of a time factor than an ability one? As long as her road sense (or the ability to gain road sense) isn't compromised by her disability, I'd say give her your full support.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never try to discourage teenagers from doing what they want to do, they'll only want to do it even more.

Autos make learning geared bikes more difficult to learn. Best to start as you mean to go on, IMHO.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

wizzzard wrote:
She wants a geared but in all seriousness I think an auto would be the best place for her to start.

I think so too.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think only you can answer this.

She is your daugther and you will know what's best for her from a parental perspective.

If you have any doubts in certain areas of her ability then get those addressed first while trying not to hold her back too much.

Try and arrange some lessons on the CBT training ground to build up her skills prior to tackling the CBT itself if you think she may struggle.

As long as you support her in which ever direction you both choose to go then I'm sure she'll be ok Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
Autos make learning geared bikes more difficult to learn. Best to start as you mean to go on, IMHO.


Maybe, but with an auto, you can get on the road and concentrate on being safe and learning how to ride on the road properly, and then progress to a manual where you can then concentrate on learning gears as riding on the road and the rules of the road will be second nature.

Trying to learn both at once can be a little unnerving.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know my daughter will want a bike one day, think i'll get her a crosser and suss how quick she learns to dodge things whilst staying on Smile

She'll get there...just in smaller steps.
And if she can't do the CBT on a geared bike then there's always the cage.


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PostPosted: 14:01 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
Autos make learning geared bikes more difficult to learn. Best to start as you mean to go on, IMHO.


Not everybody learns the same way - if she has a learning disability, having an auto would remove the gear/clutch hurdle from the equation whilst she gains road sense. Moving off and stopping is reduced to just twisting the throttle and applying the brakes, rather than worrying about clutch biting points. Not having to worry about stalling leaves you free to concentrate on what's going on around you.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
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fucker... i was going to reply with that when i first read the title.....
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appear to have lost the ability to write, reading my post above again Laughing

But I do think starting with a geared bike is best. I started on autos off road and had a lot more trouble learning than mates who just got a geared bike to begin with. You get into the habit of not having to release a clutch.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My sister is 15, has aspergers, got removed from mainstream school and now attends a hospital unit.

She also wants to get a bike as soon as she's 16, but I don't want her to. It's like. I'm sure she'd be perfectly capable, but what if it breaks down, she can't be left alone until recovery comes, would she even be able to get ring recovery?

Just simple things like grabbing a handful of front would scare the shit out of me if she did get a bike. I don't like the idea of it at all. And the fact that she would be aware that bikes are dangerous especially in the first months of riding, but wouldn't GET it.

I don't know what difficulties your daughter has, but I can't imagine my sister being able to cope just yet. Put it this way, her mental age is 2 years behind. Would you trust a 14 year old?

My thoughts on an issue I meant to post about about 2 months ago.

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PostPosted: 14:24 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
I appear to have lost the ability to write, reading my post above again Laughing

But I do think starting with a geared bike is best. I started on autos off road and had a lot more trouble learning than mates who just got a geared bike to begin with. You get into the habit of not having to release a clutch.


Do you have a learning disability though?

Yes, I agree that learning on a geared bike first is best for the majority of people, but if you have coordination and balance problems then the fewer things to have to concentrate on at a time, the better.
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies everyone.

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Her learning disability might make the theoretical side hard work, but would I be right in thinking that would be more of a time factor than an ability one? As long as her road sense (or the ability to gain road sense) isn't compromised by her disability, I'd say give her your full support.


Not sure if it's just a time issue to be honest. Ability wise I know, for instance, she wouldn't be able to tackle the theory test as she wouldn't be able to manage reading the multiple choice questions unaided. She does have a reasonably good degree of road sense though and after actual control of the bike that's the most important part of riding.

The basics of road signs and markings I'm sure she will be fine with as she does understand the arrows and picture representations. I guess I'm more worried about her reaction times from seeing a sign to processing the information and acting on it.

ms51ves3 and Shaggy have it spot on with the automatic point, she really wouldn't be able to manage gearing just yet.

Thanks Nasty a lesson or two before actually attempting the CBT is a good idea and might put her on level ground with those she will be taking it with.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
27cows wrote:
I appear to have lost the ability to write, reading my post above again Laughing

But I do think starting with a geared bike is best. I started on autos off road and had a lot more trouble learning than mates who just got a geared bike to begin with. You get into the habit of not having to release a clutch.


Do you have a learning disability though?

Yes, I agree that learning on a geared bike first is best for the majority of people, but if you have coordination and balance problems then the fewer things to have to concentrate on at a time, the better.


I don't have a learning disability, but it was difficult making the transition from a bike with no clutch. I personally think it might be even difficult making the change if you had problems with coordination. I may be wrong, I frequently am

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PostPosted: 14:37 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She's shown signs of wanting to get out on 2 wheels. She'll do it anyway, why not help and make sure she does it properly?


Tough one, but I think that man ^^ is right.

Find the best training school in your area and send her there. If she's going to do it she'll do it without or without your permission (her funds dictate this of course).

You could always only let her ride with you in tow until you're happy with her progress? Maybe even get her to do 2 CBT's to get things to sink in easier? (I don't know how bad her difficulties are Smile)+

But I have no children, so could be talking huge amounts of shite. Karma

Edit/ I didn't see cov's post which I've pretty much repeated word for word. Typical. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: 14:41 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks pyro you have a very interesting view and very well put.

I won't go into detail over what is wrong with my daughter but her learning age is much lower than 14 although she is also the most mature and sensible person I've ever met which is where my confusion over letting her ride stems from.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

wizzzard wrote:
Ability wise I know, for instance, she wouldn't be able to tackle the theory test as she wouldn't be able to manage reading the multiple choice questions unaided.


Non English speakers are allowed an interpreter I think; perhaps Skudd can shed some light on this one.

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Facilities for those with reading difficulties

If you have dyslexia or other reading difficulties you can ask for an English or Welsh voiceover. You can also request to have up to double time for the multiple choice part of the theory test. If you require more than the standard time of 40 minutes for the multiple choice part you will need to send in evidence of your reading difficulty to the theory test booking customer services.


https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/TheoryTest/DG_4022538
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

my freinds son has autism..And he seems be able to ride his 50cc pretty well..he passed his cbt in two days.and now is about to have a go on a dt 50..We got him a cheap 50cc scoot and let him have a go on some private land.He also has a learning disability and was alowed his mother to help him out with the reading etc on his cbt.. Very Happy

So id say yes give her a chance she might (will suprise you)
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as she has the cash to buy, insure, tax, MOT and run her bike herself, then there is little you can do. Neutral

If she doesn't have the cash - and you are not 100% keen on the idea of her getting a bike - then this makes it easy for you to dissuade her, without telling her she can't do it i.e. "Yes love, you can get a bike, but you'll have to prove you are responsible enough to get one and the first step to do that is to pay for it all yourself".

Presuming you were going to assist financially to make this happen in the now, then proposing she pays for it all means it will take time for her to save ... by the time she has saved enough, she will be 17 and it is time for her to buy a car and get into p0rno, the whole bike problem goes away!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 30 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue: The bike and CBT would be a Birthday present from me. It's not that I want to dissuade her as such, I would love her to be able to ride, more that I'm just concerened for her safety and those around her.

Flip and cov: I shall be calling into the place I took my test on my next day off and inquiring about some pre CBT lessons. If she manages to get through her CBT then she will definately have me in tow for the first few journeys at least Smile

Thanks fiveus. It's nice to see that it is possible to get over these problems, I'll inquire about the help at the CBT as well Thumbs Up

Shaggy your a star of epic proportions. I don't know why I didn't think of looking on there for info Thumbs Up
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