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PostPosted: 21:23 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Petrol Prices Reply with quote

Why are petrol prices always .9p? I've heard people say so it looks cheaper, nothing else is sold with .9p difference? If it's 100.9p, why not just call it 101p?

I know the pump computers often goes further into the decimal places than is displayed. Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure but i guess that 0.1 that you saves adds up after about 20 years of buying petrol hahah Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dunno but every time i put in a tenner at our local Shell by the time i get into pay its mysteriously become £10.01 Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 10 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dunno but every time i put in a tenner at our local Shell by the time i get into pay its mysteriously become £10.01 Evil or Very Mad


I did that today, at Tesco, the lady didn't want to let me off the 1 penny, so I paid £10 cash, and put the penny on my credit card. Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:01 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
scottishbikers.co.uk wrote:
Dunno but every time i put in a tenner at our local Shell by the time i get into pay its mysteriously become £10.01 Evil or Very Mad


I did that today, at Tesco, the lady didn't want to let me off the 1 penny, so I paid £10 cash, and put the penny on my credit card. Laughing


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PostPosted: 08:11 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its psychological marketing, exactly the same reason why most things are £2.99, or £9.99 etc.

Interestingly, they even priced goods like this in Australia, where the smallest coin was a 5c piece.

If you paid for a $9.99 item with a $10 note they wouldn't give you change.

Now that is crazy.


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PostPosted: 08:16 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
If you paid for a $9.99 item with a £10 note they wouldn't give you change.

Now that is crazy.


Maybe it's because they wanted you to pay with dollars and not pounds Wink
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the hell are you talking about?? Whistle
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Petrol Prices Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Why are petrol prices always .9p?...

One reason I was told all prices end like this (£xxx.99) is so that they have to ring them through the till to get your change.

Otherwise, hand over say a £20 or £10 note it can easily disappear into a pocket/bag/holdall/etc. rather than the till.

Obviously can't say this is 100% truthful but it does have the air of believability. Maybe someone can deny (urban myth) or confirm.

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PostPosted: 08:54 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One reason I was told all prices end like this (£xxx.99) is so that they have to ring them through the till to get your change.

Otherwise, hand over say a £20 or £10 note it can easily disappear into a pocket/bag/holdall/etc. rather than the till.


Confused

When I fill up like most people I go by the cost and this is usually always a whole number.... Just because the cost is 100.9p a liter does not stop you from filling up with exactly £10/20/30...
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAMSXR wrote:
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One reason I was told all prices end like this (£xxx.99) is so that they have to ring them through the till to get your change.

Otherwise, hand over say a £20 or £10 note it can easily disappear into a pocket/bag/holdall/etc. rather than the till.


Confused

When I fill up like most people I go by the cost and this is usually always a whole number.... Just because the cost is 100.9p a liter does not stop you from filling up with exactly £10/20/30...


I think map was talking more generally rather than just petrol.

@ Map, I think that's a bit of an urban myth. If you really wanted to steal you could just pop the till with a no sale(no sale's just open the till, you don't need to put anything through) and take what you wanted.

Admittedly not all users can do it on all till systems, sometimes it's only supervisors, but sometimes it is everyone.

Nothing to stop the cashier not shutting the till lid after you've got your change of course. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's nothing more than a psychological trick to make you think it's cheaper than it is. Exactly the same trick that stores use when they price things at £9.99 rather than £10.

If one petrol station advertises its petrol at 103p/l and the one across the road has it at 102.9p/l guess which one is going to have the queues outside it.

My guess is that they're allowed to do it by trading standards as you buy petrol in indistinct multiples (15.72 litres or whatever) so there is always going to be some rounding involved. A shop couldn't advertise something for 99.9p as they couldn't give you change for your tenner.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think map was talking more generally rather than just petrol.


My bad.

I was always led to believe it was done for psychological reasons like Jonny has said.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
My guess is that they're allowed to do it by trading standards as you buy petrol in indistinct multiples (15.72 litres or whatever) so there is always going to be some rounding involved. A shop couldn't advertise something for 99.9p as they couldn't give you change for your tenner.


Buy if I buy one litre, at 102.9p, they just round it up.

I don't understand a) Why they're allowed to, if it really is just the whole "Make it look cheaper", and b) Why they don't use it in shops.

Since I'm bored today, I might just go to the petrol station, buy two litres (minimum delivery and all) and then kick off about them stealing 0.2p off me.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is due to marketing strategies. Prices with with .99 are usually associated with being much cheaper than those at .00. It seems crazy, but it has been proven to have a much greater impact on sales, than any other pricing structure. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

So why doesn't a petrol station advertise it as 102.8? Look even cheaper, and still has a very similar effect with rounding it up, except you lose a penny every 5 litres.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petrol companies take advantage of people's inability to think. You save 1 pence for every 10 units you buy, and nothing inbetween that.
Cool, if you have a 100 litre tank that's saving 10p. That'll be £99.90 please sir.
If I see 2 petrol stations, 1 with 99.9p/l the other with 100.0p/l, you know which one I choose?
The one with the credit card pump. Infact those things are so valuable to me, I'd sooner pay 5p more per litre just not to hassle myself with people. In fairness, I usually only stick a tenner in the tank as I never run to reserve, so that's only 50p difference.
If neither of them have credit card pumps, what's the next deciding factor? Anthony Worral Thompson sandwiches. I think it's shell garages that do these. He may be a twat, but those sandwiches are the best pre-made sandwiches money can buy, bar-none. Marks and Spencers have nothing on this cat, they rock the sandwichbah.
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

angryjonny wrote:
...If one petrol station advertises its petrol at 103p/l and the one across the road has it at 102.9p/l guess which one is going to have the queues outside it....

However, I find it strange that NO petrol station varies on the .9p rule.

It's not like one has it at 102.9p and another has it as 102.4p
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

map wrote:
angryjonny wrote:
...If one petrol station advertises its petrol at 103p/l and the one across the road has it at 102.9p/l guess which one is going to have the queues outside it....

However, I find it strange that NO petrol station varies on the .9p rule.

It's not like one has it at 102.9p and another has it as 102.4p


but most off the time you see there is only a few big brands of stores like tesco, morrisons, asda etc etc so really its the same company all over
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think I read a story a while ago saying that it cost the shops more in wasted time spent giving the penny change than it gained them in higher footfall. There is a change afoot to start charging in whole pounds.

If you were paid for your time in the shop and wait an extra 10 seconds to get a penny change, you'd only have to be earning £3.60 an hour to make it not worth your time waiting!
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is "because they can".

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20. Mr. Ioan Evans asked the Secretary of State for Prices and Consumer Protection if he will make a further statement about petrol price display.

§ The Minister of State, Department of Prices and Consumer Protection (Mr. John Fraser) The Petrol Prices (Display) Order 1977 was laid before the House on 30th June and will come into operation on 12th August 1977. We shall, of course, watch to see the effects of the order.

§ Mr. Evans Will my hon. Friend take a closer look at the way in which the order is to operate? At the moment there is a jungle. There is complete confusion on the forecourts of petrol stations, with ridiculous prices such as 84.9p per gallon. How can one pay .9p? is not some protection needed in this regard?

§ Mr. Fraser The order will not only cover displays outside forecourts but will require the display of information on or near the pumps themselves. As to the percentage point of a penny, when we made the Petrol Prices (Display) Order we had no powers to ban petrol price displays giving fractions of a penny, because the power is contained in the Price Commission Act, but we shall watch the operation of the order carefully.

§ Mr. Dykes When the order starts, it will be quite difficult for consumers to see prices clearly displayed on the new modern pumps, particularly the electronic ones, and this will undo for the consumer the good effects of the fall in petrol prices. Will the Minister pay particular attention to this?

§ Mr. Fraser I have already paid particular attention to it. Electronic pumps will have to show the maximum price per gallon being charged to the consumer as well as give an indication on the pricing indicator on the pump.



From https://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1977/jul/25/petrol-prices
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
scottishbikers.co.uk wrote:
Dunno but every time i put in a tenner at our local Shell by the time i get into pay its mysteriously become £10.01 Evil or Very Mad


I did that today, at Tesco, the lady didn't want to let me off the 1 penny, so I paid £10 cash, and put the penny on my credit card. Laughing


Thats quality..... i've gotta try that.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
The answer is "because they can".

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20. Mr. Ioan Evans asked the Secretary of State for Prices and Consumer Protection if he will make a further statement about petrol price display.

§ The Minister of State, Department of Prices and Consumer Protection (Mr. John Fraser) The Petrol Prices (Display) Order 1977 was laid before the House on 30th June and will come into operation on 12th August 1977. We shall, of course, watch to see the effects of the order.

§ Mr. Evans Will my hon. Friend take a closer look at the way in which the order is to operate? At the moment there is a jungle. There is complete confusion on the forecourts of petrol stations, with ridiculous prices such as 84.9p per gallon. How can one pay .9p? is not some protection needed in this regard?

§ Mr. Fraser The order will not only cover displays outside forecourts but will require the display of information on or near the pumps themselves. As to the percentage point of a penny, when we made the Petrol Prices (Display) Order we had no powers to ban petrol price displays giving fractions of a penny, because the power is contained in the Price Commission Act, but we shall watch the operation of the order carefully.

§ Mr. Dykes When the order starts, it will be quite difficult for consumers to see prices clearly displayed on the new modern pumps, particularly the electronic ones, and this will undo for the consumer the good effects of the fall in petrol prices. Will the Minister pay particular attention to this?

§ Mr. Fraser I have already paid particular attention to it. Electronic pumps will have to show the maximum price per gallon being charged to the consumer as well as give an indication on the pricing indicator on the pump.



From https://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1977/jul/25/petrol-prices


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PostPosted: 12:58 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
ridiculous prices such as 84.9p per gallon.


On an unrelated note - holy christ! We can't even get a litre for that anymore. Is there some formula to work out what that gallon would have cost in relative terms (i.e. average wage/litre of fuel) back then - mainly just so I can mope about how cheap it would have been to run a nice big jag straight 6 or something equally as thirsty back in t'day
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 11 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suitor_Stu wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
ridiculous prices such as 84.9p per gallon.


On an unrelated note - holy christ! We can't even get a litre for that anymore. Is there some formula to work out what that gallon would have cost in relative terms (i.e. average wage/litre of fuel) back then - mainly just so I can mope about how cheap it would have been to run a nice big jag straight 6 or something equally as thirsty back in t'day


you know that we were getting petrol imported in for something stupid like 30p a gallon
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