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PostPosted: 01:48 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Rant about exams. I just can't sleep. Reply with quote

I hate how much this is important... I hate how much stress we get put under! I’m sat here right now thinking the worlds over… well that’s how I feel so here are my views on this subject.
People always say... schools easier now than when I was a kid. B.S!!
So when you were younger kids would commit harry carry because of their exam results in them days did they? No they didn't!
I hate how just a piece of paper in an envelope can be so important! It makes a life and breaks a life.
People wonder why kids are down and drink so much just to have fun. It’s not wrong; it’s just called breaking free from the world for a bit and having a laugh with your friends. People are far too judgemental in this world of ours.
Did they ever wonder that it was the governments fault because they put us through stress and shit? They’d rather blame it on something else like family issues, than except the blame for making 11 year olds sit exams like their lives depend on it. I actually stopped eating for a week before I got my SATS results; my cousin did similar. They think it’s a good thing to put kids under stress... make it out that GCSE's are SOOOO important. They don't mean shit!
It’s like I said to my mum, it matters at the time, then it doesn’t, it’s just a stepping stone in life. For example GCSE’s matter but only to get you to college, and then they mean nothing.
A levels matter but only to get you to university, then they mean nothing too.
A university degree matters, but only to get you that job you want.
That job matters to get you a promotion and when you get that job every exam you had sat means fvck all.
It surprises me how much companies now don’t want to hear about what qualifications you have, they only look for the willingness to learn and do something well. A lot of job applications don't even ask for your grades now.
How are 12 A-C grades going to make you better at a certain subject of a job? I can’t see it unless you studied exactly what you want to do.
My sister wants to become an RSPCA inspector... yes an A in maths is going to help there isn't it?
A piece of paper with letters and numbers on it does not say you’re clever or thick.
I talked to a guy about doing economics as A-level. He said, “Oh you don’t need to have studies in economics or anything, it doesn’t really matter. You just have to be able to prove you’re clever enough to learn”.
Everyone’s clever in their own right really.
Go up to a mechanic and ask him what the squared route of 144 is and he'd be like... "I don't know mate".
Then ask him... "What’s wrong with my car?" and he'd tell you in seconds. Does that make him thick? NO! He’s very clever just in his own right. I'm not saying Mechanics aren't clever at maths, I'm just saying they don't require it as much as others. Exams don't cover enough in my eyes.
Everyone has their own talents and attributes.
There are university’s called polytechnic colleges, which do courses which are less academically based, and do courses like textiles and mechanics. There are many people who class them as being a lower standard of university, than somewhere academically based, like Newcastle or Cambridge. It really annoys me. People who aren’t good at physics or maths or history and instead they are good at designing clothes or whatever doesn’t make them any less of a person, or any thicker than someone who gets straight A’s in maths and chemistry and English? It doesn’t, does it?
Some of the most successful people of this world have very little qualifications.

Sorry that's just my rant... hope you enjoy'd the read Laughing
I just wonder how many students will kill themselves this year.
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PostPosted: 02:05 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have a dim view of how educated mechanics are, square root of 144 wouldn't even require a calculator for a lot of people.

Regardless of what path you choose, if you want a decent job, you're going to have to wade through sh*t first. Whether that be Academics, apprenticeship or just working your way up from a mundane job. You'd be surprised how some things you see as useless to your career can come in quite handy. My higher in Graphic Communications gives me a distinct advantage to other students when drawing a crime scene sketch, but I thought it was useless before.

I think the point is to give a well-rounded education, as many will stray away from what they thought they wanted to do. My initial aspirations before leaving school were in the Media or Computing industries, and I have qualifications for those that I no longer "need".
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PostPosted: 02:10 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, well I am planning on taking a degree at university. But I am bricking myself here because of exam results day at 12, but I just can't see why!
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PostPosted: 02:47 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 04:53 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Half the deal with exams is learning how to cope with stress, time management, that sort of thing. You obviously aren't doing very well on that score at all.

You didn't eat for a week because of some lousy exams?! Even when you admit yourself that exams don't mean all that much?

Good luck in the real world my friend!
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PostPosted: 05:18 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man the fuck up Wink
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PostPosted: 06:23 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've got to look at the positives as well though. Exams teach peaople to deal with stress, and it separates the men from the boys. Smile

I'm getting my AS results at half 10, and I want to study medicine, so some of you may know how paramount they are to get in.

Best of luck to you though Cal, let us know how you did!
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PostPosted: 06:34 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm picking my A level results up in 45 minutes and quite frankly, could not give a shit what I get.
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PostPosted: 07:03 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Rant about exams. I just can't sleep. Reply with quote

cal91 wrote:
I wish I had not spent the last two years chillin with my mates rather than studying.


Fixed it for you.
Edit... Good luck with the results BTW Wink
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

cal91 wrote:
Yeah, well I am planning on taking a degree at university. But I am bricking myself here because of exam results day at 12, but I just can't see why!


Here's the deal with A levels.

They are important to your career if you want them to be - ie, if you engineer it that way - it depends on the job. I work in IT and my A-levels were Maths, Computer Science and Geography... so 2 of 3 were directly relevant. It meant I could get on the right degree course and then my first job found me, not the other way round.

Most of the stuff you learn on your A level course you'll never use again but it will demonstrate to potential employers that you're capable of doing it.

Curiously, last month at work I had to use JSP (old fashioned software design technique) that I hadn't touched since I studied it at A level in 1994. It all came flooding back. You'd be amazed how much A-level maths you use in this sort of job too.


Good luck to those getting their results today. It's a stressful time in anyone's life, particularly if your university choice hinges on it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

"People always say... schools easier now than when I was a kid. B.S!! "

Thinking Thinking

A record-breaking number of A-level entries for England, Wales and Northern Ireland have been awarded A grades.

More than one in four entries - 26.7% - got the top grade, up from 25.9% last year and the overall pass rate rose to 97.5%, up 0.3 percentage points.

The improvement in grades - for the 27th year in a row - will add to the pressure on university places.

(from BBC news)

And 1 in 8 got straight As

That is proof that exams are getting easier. More than a quarter of exams were graded at grade A, that's fucking stupid. It isn't helped by labour wanting 50% of kids to go to uni which is equally fucking stupid.

When I was meant to be doing my A levels I instead spent most of my time playing shit head and posting on BCF. I think it was time well spent. Mr. Green

The ability to do well in maths/economics/chemistry etc isn't becauseyour future job is likely to make use of that knowledge, it shows your ability to learn and to do the necessary work rather get distracted and make thousands of posts on bcf. Whistle

Polytechnic colleges are a lower standard than more academic universities or red brick universities. Courses like textiles, mechanics, and anything that involves the word 'studies' are completely useless. The only people who don't think those courses are useless are the people who do them, and then they graduate to find out just how useful their qualification is.

Exams are not causing the break down of society; family issues, a decline in education standards, and the chav undercurrent are the causes for the break down in society. Using exams and the pressure of exams as the reason for kids getting drunk is crazy.

You fucked up your exams didn't you?
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't remember stressing about exams at school (that would be some time ago.) But you're wrong to say kids back in the 80's or 90's weren't offing themselves or otherwise drowning in stress due to exams: they were.

I started an Msc last year and stressed about all the course work and exams involved, but all I did was ask myself; what's the worst that could happen? At worst, my pride would be dented if I failed and at best, I'd just scrape through.

Unfortunately these (and subsequent exams and tests) are important as they represent stepping stones to where you want to be. Employers don't ignore them, they check they're there then move onto what really interests them; your attitude and ability to learn.

I have a theory about it and even if I do say so myself, I think it's a cracker...

When you're young you don't really appreciate the importance of education nor (in some cases) do young people have the right attitude for the concerted stress of achieving a good all round knowledge of English, Maths and general knowledge (essential for just getting by these days, or at least I think so.)

I think education should stop for 10 years after primary school. We're all living longer anyway, we can afford to chuck 10 years onto the end of our careers easily. So, from age 11 to 21, you can arse around, have any unskilled part time job you fancy with a minimum wage and a definite ceiling in terms of advancement.

After ten years of that, plus just being older and wiser in general, you can go back to education and in half the time it would've taken (with the knowledge that having a mundane shit job is a bit crap) you'd sail through A levels (or whatever they're called these days) then onto University to do your degree in half the time because you'll have a positive mental attitude, all the drinking will be out of your system too, well; most of it anyway. Wink

By 30 years of age, you'll be totally up to speed and ready for the real world qualified to do something you actually like as opposed to something your peers had decided to do all or some ill-informed careers advisor thought would suit you.

In essence, at thirty, you'd have everything you would've had at twenty one plus (and this is the crucial advantage,) the right attitude born out of the knowledge and experience that comes from having had a shit job and just being older in general.

Of course, if you're happy with a minimum wage shit job; then you can keep at it. If after 21 you decide you want to get back into education, it'll cost you.

I think you'll find that's a vote winner. I'd love to see what would happen if this policy was adopted. Cool

What I found when I was at school was, I picked my subjects because I wanted to be an Astronomer. At that time (12 years old) I'd never seen a quadratic equation, some months later two things became apparent; a) I couldn't do quadratic equations and b) Astronomers did lots of quadratic equations.

Now I work in IT and contrary to what those adverts on TV say, we don't earn on average £37k PA and I don't eat toast with an eager glint in my eye on a week day morning because a career in IT is actually a load of shit.

Suffice to say and please excuse my self indulgence; this is not where I thought I'd be when I was sitting in the school's career office declaring in the partially broken voice of optimistic adolescence: 'I want to work nights!**"

I hope your results are ok, judging by your post above, you don't seem to be a total clod so I suspect you'll be fine. (Judging by my post above, my results were at best; mediocre. Wink )

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**Edit. Haha, that makes it out as if I wanted to be a prostitute. Now that would've been an unsuccessful career choice for sure. Laughing **
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My maths teacher told us when he was a kid a guy in his school got 3 As. The school took the day off.
He was like the town hero. NOBODY got 3 As in those days and much less were expected to get them.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/8211160.stm
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DaveJPS wrote:
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/8211160.stm
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That story makes me laugh as it's total bullshit. Those kids did not do an A-level they didn't even do an AS level, they've done an FAM course.

An FAM in maths is a single multiple choice exam on a par with GCSE level, to compare it with even an AS in maths is laughable, I mean hell even my GCSE maths didn't have any multiple choice papers.

"Course outline
This is a course intended to strengthen your skills in Mathematics. It is designed to help you make better progress in AS Level Mathematics. It builds on the skills that you have learnt at GCSE and covers arithmetic, algebra, trigonometry, graphs and statistics."
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Svedebo wrote:
Oxford might have asked for ABB

Oxbridge, Imperial and UCL have their own entrance exams now, because A levels are becoming more and more meaningless.
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Exams are an opportunity to show the world what you are capable of.

A link on BCF shows that people can get a qualification for being able to use public transport, ie catch a bus.

Now thats fucking basic, but an achievement for some people.

I've got some qualifications that show I am capable of some things that some people will never be capable of, but to other people who are better, they are fucking basic.

If you achieve a lot, it shows an employer that you are capable of achieving a lot. They may not even care what you learnt, but it shows you can apply yourself and get stuff done.

Generally speaking, ability at information processing is more valuable than physical work.

If you had an operation, would you want the surgeon to have a thorough understanding of the human body, and surgical procedures, or would you want to give a break to some guy off the street who can not prove he has any knowledge of surgery ?

Its necessary to prove yourself, and for that to affect your role in life. Its not the only thing that will affect your role in life, but its wrong to say it shouldnt matter at all.

Polytechnics are now called universities so only those in the know, know the difference between them and real universities.

But if you can do Law at a former poly, and end up on £100k, its not as important as you might think.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Re: Rant about exams. I just can't sleep. Reply with quote

If you're shitting bricks now, imagine what uni's going to be like for you.

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PostPosted: 18:11 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well?

After the rant what'd ya get?
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
Well?

After the rant what'd ya get?


Drunk in the pub I'd imagine. Though that tends to happen regardless of how they went.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muzza wrote:
Whosthedaddy wrote:
Well?

After the rant what'd ya get?


Drunk in the pub I'd imagine. Though that tends to happen regardless of how they went.


as we used to refer to it "celebrating or drowning your sorrows" Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 20 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
and this is why im doing an hnd. no exams, no stress, just pace myself to one piece of coursework every week for 3 years ( excluding holidays and when i cant be arsed ) and im sorted.


Sounds like a waste of time.
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CHR15 wrote:
and the thing im doing is (iirc) equivilent to 3 a-levels at A if i get a triple distinction, so its not that bad.


That's what they say.

My point was surely it would be better if you did the coursework in 1 year and then got a job rather than spreading a tiny load of work over 3 years. I understand you don't choose how long the coursework spreads over.
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CHR15 wrote:

and the thing im doing is (iirc) equivilent to 3 a-levels at A if i get a triple distinction, so its not that bad.


They've always said this, but I'm not convinced it's true.

after all the people who really decide whether it's equivalent is your prospective employer. I.e. Would they choose someone with HND over A-Levels, or consider them to be equal?

I'm of the opinion that it's easier to get a distinction at College and get 360 points than it is to get 3 As at A-Level, but then again I'm probably biased as I went the A-Level route. I suppose it would also depends on your subject choice at A-Level. If you took soft subjects you'd get better grades too.

I think the fixation with grades is what's led us to this mess. Pupils are simply taking the softer subjects in order to get the required number of points. Surely it would be better to look at the subject taken and the grade rather than just the grade its self. Correct me if you think I'm wrong, but I disagree that a B in say Physics is equal to a B in Media Studies(To use a well publicised example).
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