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Chriss
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PostPosted: 05:38 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Towing With Trailers Reply with quote

Hi,

Looking into the rules with towing with trailers. Reading this, I understand that I can tow a trailer, up to 750kgs. That is, the trailer alone weighing 750kgs, not the combined mass of the trailer and load (ie, before I put bikes on, the trailer can weigh 750kgs, afterwards it can weigh 1200kgs).

However, as a side rule, the weight of the trailer+load+car mustn't come to more than 3.5 Tonnes.

Do I read that correctly?

I'm quite baffled and this is the third understanding I've had.
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PostPosted: 06:41 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a basic car license that allows you to tow upto 750kg, That's the weight of the trailer and whatever you put on it. The combined weight total of the trailer (including whatever is on it) and the vehicle towing can't be more than 3500kg.

DSA and DVLA making things overly complicated? Nah, they'd never do that. Laughing

edit: removed about b+e cos that's the trailer test as has been said below.


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PostPosted: 06:49 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, I don't have B+E, I have A,B,B1,f,k,p. Does that mean I can't tow at all?

And how do you find out the weight of a trailer? And do you just use the manufacturer's claimed weight for the weight of the load? Confused
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PostPosted: 07:14 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Wait, I don't have B+E, I have A,B,B1,f,k,p. Does that mean I can't tow at all?

And how do you find out the weight of a trailer? And do you just use the manufacturer's claimed weight for the weight of the load? Confused


The government assumes everyone has a weighbridge obviously. Another half thought out law...

New car drivers don't get the +E unless they do their cat B test with a trailer IIRC.
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brick Wall Ok, so it's like the 33bhp law, it's there, but just ignore it as it's stupid and impossible to enforce?
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriss wrote:
Brick Wall Ok, so it's like the 33bhp law, it's there, but just ignore it as it's stupid and impossible to enforce?

Until you have an accident or get pull for a minor infringement.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, well presented. I know an average bike weighs about 200kg, so that's 400kg of bike, leaving 350kg for trailer.

Any idea how much the average trailer weighs? Thinking
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.scott-trailers.co.uk/pdf/gh94.pdf

Just to give you an idea. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trailers suck.

Get a van.

(My understandiong's always been 750kg combined weight, so the trailer and whatever you put onto it. Most trailers have their weight marked on them.)
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's stupid.
I got told a HGV driver would still have to take that test to pull a small trailer!

That makes great sense doesn't it?
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

When and if you tow a trailer don't tow it in lane 3 of the motorway like some of the current camping crowd seem to do.

Quite often it's at high speed too, the tiny tyres don't like that!
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I got told a HGV driver would still have to take that test to pull a small trailer!

That makes great sense doesn't it?


After I did my C+E test (articulated lorry) when my licence came back I had the B+E (car + trailer) category as well.

So you were told wrong, although its a nice story.

Without a +E you can tow next to fuck all, there are two basic guidelines, with massive grey areas:

Arrow trailer and trailer load must not exceed 750kg (this would apply for example if you were driving a 3500kg vehicle that was fully loaded.
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Arrow you can tow more AS LONG AS gross weight of the trailer does not exceed unladen weight of the towing vehicle AND combination does not exceed 3500kg.

The following only applies to those with a B+E...

Interesting to note; I have seen people being done for towing an empty trailer that had a plated gross weight above that which their licence allows.

For example, a 3500kg transit with a maximum train weight of say 5750kg cannot tow a trailer with a plated max gross weight of 3500kg even if it is empty, as this would show an intent to break to law. Even though the empty trailer may weigh only 500kgs at the time of towing.

The only vehicle on the road that can currently legally tow the full 3500kg allowance for a braked trailer is a land rover. Despite plenty of other vehicles being more then capable.

A rule of thumb is do not exceed the plated gross weights of the towing vehicle, the trailer or the total train of the combination, and do not exceed the individual axle weights (i.e. balance of the trailer is important as a badly loaded trailer could put excessive weight on the towbar causing an overloading of the rear axle of the towing vehicle).

Confused? you should be.

Don't tow in lane 3, don't exceed 60mph, go directly to jail do not collect £200.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

and just another perk to having passed my test with the dinosaurs Laughing

Guessing clarkson has a job with DVLA and decided to finally rid us all of caravans Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 21 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 pence Short wrote:
When and if you tow a trailer don't tow it in lane 3 of the motorway like some of the current camping crowd seem to do.

Quite often it's at high speed too, the tiny tyres don't like that!


I would intentionally ram them because I am pretty sure that no matter what you would win the claim.

The license laws are stupid. My missus has 7.5 ton on her license yet I worry when she drives the beemer.

Because I only took my car license late on I have fuck all yet in my new part time job have to manuever 44 ton 60ft trucks. ( I do realise that driving them on the road would require anyone to take extra tests)
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 22 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What job is that? Can't think of anywhere that would want someone driving HGVs offroad without a licence either, the implications if there was an accident would be quite severe I imagine, all shunters and HGV mechanics have to hold a licence to move them about the yard.


As for pulling overladen trailers, there is no excuse really, you could say that you don't have a weighbridge at home but the country is littered with public weighbridges which everyone is entitled to use to check their weight. Aslong as you are on your way to your nearest one to check then the police can't prosecute you unless you are quite obviously dangerously overwieight and anyone doing that probably isn't on their way to a weighbridge anyway.

To guage a bike trailer's unladen weight, try and pick it up Wink, simple ones really don't weigh much at all and I think even with a 3 bike trailer you'd be hard pressed go overweight, however you might want to be careful if you're towing it with a smart car so you don't exceed the weight of the towing vehicle.
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