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PostPosted: 13:50 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: fitting aftermarket cans Reply with quote

can someone tell me how long it takes (approximately) to remove original end cans and fit an aftermarket set?

Just called my nearest dealer for a quote to fit some akras on my ape...and they said it`d cost £100-150 coz it`s a 2 hour job atleast. Shocked
I can`t believe it takes that long....or does it?
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for the end can??

On most bikes it's only held on by a couple of screws and a jubilee clip!
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilson123 wrote:
On to what?

It's a relatively straight forward job, and isn't worth 100-150. I'd pay 10-15 MAX


No where would do it for 10-15 quid.

If it's a side exit can it's about half hour to an hour if you've not done one before, if it's an underseat then it can take much more time as you have to piss about with fairing.

What bike's it for?

If it's for an underseat then I guess 2/3 hours at 50 quid an hour isn't too massive.

If it's a side exit then do it yourself. After you've done a few you can change them in about 15 minutes.

I'd just do it yourself anyway.
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Re: fitting aftermarket cans Reply with quote

max power wrote:
can someone tell me how long it takes (approximately) to remove original end cans and fit an aftermarket set?

Just called my nearest dealer for a quote to fit some akras on my ape...and they said it`d cost £100-150 coz it`s a 2 hour job atleast. Shocked
I can`t believe it takes that long....or does it?


I swear you were giving bikes up last week? Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Re: fitting aftermarket cans Reply with quote

jdloyalroyal wrote:

I swear you were giving bikes up last week? Laughing


I am (i think..lol)
but i want to know what the rsvr is like with noisy cans on before i sell it. Laughing

for those that asked.....it`s a 2006/2007 Aprilia RSVR and it`s got twin "side exit" exhausts....not underseat.

i`ve just called another dealer and got a totally different quote.£25 to fit the cans,and £50 to check emissions and switch the ECU to map2. Thumbs Up ...so £75 all in and they`ll do it within the hour while i wait. Mr. Green

The other dealer didn`t even include the re-map and emissions...they wanted the 150 just to switch the cans...so they can go and fuck themselves. Exclamation
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PostPosted: 14:21 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Changing to map 2 isn't a remap as such. Just activates the second fuelling map in the ECU that should have been activated after the 600 mile service.

It's easy enough to do yourself. side exit pipes are dead easy, as is cutting the relevent wire in the ECU. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Changing to map 2 isn't a remap as such. Just activates the second fuelling map in the ECU that should have been activated after the 600 mile service.

It's easy enough to do yourself. side exit pipes are dead easy, as is cutting the relevent wire in the ECU. Thumbs Up


I`d have no idea what to do with the ECU but i had a look at switching the pipes myself and couldn`t even get the bloody springs off Embarassed
£75 ain`t that bad so i`ll let the dealer do it then i kknow it`s done properly.
Didn`t know map2 was supposed to be done at 600 mile.I thought map2 was only for when aftermarket cans were fitted.that`s what they say over on apriliaforum anyway.Who knows Wink
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PostPosted: 14:29 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

max power wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:
Changing to map 2 isn't a remap as such. Just activates the second fuelling map in the ECU that should have been activated after the 600 mile service.

It's easy enough to do yourself. side exit pipes are dead easy, as is cutting the relevent wire in the ECU. Thumbs Up


I`d have no idea what to do with the ECU but i had a look at switching the pipes myself and couldn`t even get the bloody springs off Embarassed
£75 ain`t that bad so i`ll let the dealer do it then i kknow it`s done properly.
Didn`t know map2 was supposed to be done at 600 mile.I thought map2 was only for when aftermaret cans wee fitted.tah`ts what they say over on apriliaforum anyway.Who knows Wink


Well my 2002 bike was on map 2 on the standard can when I got it, perhaps they changed it for the later bikes. I think map 1 is more to get it through emissions, then map 2 is the superior map.

O, and a coat hanger is good for getting the springs off if you don't have a spring puller. Just make sure it's a strong one. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
spring puller.


so that`s what gets them off is it... Rolling Eyes
I`ve lost half the skin off my thumbs through trying to pull those little buggers off with plyers... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

max power wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:
spring puller.


so that`s what gets them off is it... Rolling Eyes
I`ve lost half the skin off my thumbs through trying to pull those little buggers off with plyers... Twisted Evil
live and learn Mr. Green


Laughing

Coat hanger. Thumbs Up

(Yoshimura give you a free puller if you buy a full system, at least they used to)
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

my new can arrived last night.

changed it over when i got home from work.. took about 15mins.

loosen clip, undo bolt, pull off.. fit new, tighten clip, do up bolt. done
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 02 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

supZ wrote:
my new can arrived last night.

changed it over when i got home from work.. took about 15mins.

loosen clip, undo bolt, pull off.. fit new, tighten clip, do up bolt. done


That`s how easy i expected it to be for someone who knows how to do it....which is why i was blown away by a quote for 100-150 and 2 hours work Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 03 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well .....as you all made it out to be so easy i had another crack at it today.Once i`d sussed how to get the springs off (with thanks to big_ham and his coat hanger idea Wink ) i had the new pipes fitted in about 30 minutes.
I`m proper chuffed with myself.That`s the first bit of tinkering i`ve ever done on a bike.Before this the most i`d done was tighten the chain and pump the tyres Laughing

cheers guys...you`ve just saved me a few £££ Wink
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 03 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilson123 wrote:
On to what?

It's a relatively straight forward job, and isn't worth 100-150. I'd pay 10-15 MAX

Please dont breed,

At work its £50 an hour for use to fit cans, on new R1's its a bit difficult to make them look symetrical this is where i spend most of my time in the fitment of them with the Y peice.

Perfection takes time, and alot of bikers are wankers when it comes to finnishing touches and little niggles.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 03 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have put Akras on you will need to get it switched to map 2 or it will run badly and you will use loads of fuel.

I had to ride my Tuono with Akras on map 1 for a while, it wasn't pleasant!
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 03 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

strag wrote:
If you have put Akras on you will need to get it switched to map 2 or it will run badly and you will use loads of fuel.

I had to ride my Tuono with Akras on map 1 for a while, it wasn't pleasant!

Thats cos it was an aprilia lol, had a bloke try and get his reprogrammed recently due to offcial prila cans makin his run off.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 03 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

strag wrote:
If you have put Akras on you will need to get it switched to map 2 or it will run badly and you will use loads of fuel.

I had to ride my Tuono with Akras on map 1 for a while, it wasn't pleasant!


can you elaborate on what you mean by "run badly/not pleasant".
I took it out for a 20 minute cruise today and all seemed fine on map1.Still had the usual stuttering issues at low rpms(same as with the stock cans) but no other problems apart from that.

also,if i keep it on map1 with the akras is any damage likely to occur over the next 3-4 weeks?I can live with the extra fuel costs for the time being.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 03 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I had it switched to map 2, it got rid of the low speed stutter completely, acceleration was a lot smoother and much more responsive.

Map 1 is there to meet emissions regulations, map 2 is specifically for race cans. This is taken from Here


Map-1 or Map-2 and exhaust:
Aprilia included the option of switching the ECU mapping between two modes.
Engine variant 1, aka Map-1 and engine variant 2 or Map-2.

The bikes are shipped with Map-1 enabled as standard.
This is a closed loop mode that uses the Lambda exhaust probe to help maintain a lean A/F ratio for low exhaust emissions. This mode is tuned to work with the stock mufflers and Cat converters.

Map-2 is for use with racing mufflers and without Cat converters. It is tuned for performance and is not emissions friendly. It does not use the Lambda (runs in open loop mode).
Though it is not used, the probe must remain connected.

Switching between the two modes is only possible with the AXONE or the Navigator.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 03 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for that.I`ll get it switched over soon but can`t book it in just yet coz i`ve no spare time and need the bike for work.

Will i damage the engine at all on this map with the akras on?
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 03 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could not be sure mate, I haven't read anything to suggest it would damage it, but don't take my word for it!
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