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multijoy
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 25 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doesn't apply to bikes. Good thing too, otherwise we'll have an emissions test on the MOT!
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 28 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
theres no system like that for Motorcycles because in the words of our puppet government:-

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Unlike for cars, the European Union (EU) has not established a type certification regime for motorbikes that requires carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions data to be produced. The Government is therefore not in a position to treat VED for motorbikes on a CO2 emissions basis, and the current engine capacity based rates therefore offer the best practical, and easy to understand way to reflect the respective environmental impact of different motorbikes.


Basically, we cannot do anything, all our desisions has now been transfered to Brussles Laughing Laughing

Hence why were on the old Engine size classes Wink
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 29 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
covdude wrote:
being an ex car driver the 66 quid will do fine !!


It is stupid though, its cheaper to tax a more polluting r6 is cheaper to tax than my economical bike, and a really polluting rs125 is only £15 a year.

Its a stupid system, all bikes should be free tax, more admin than its worth, especially since the majority are only paying £15.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 29 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

CO2 emissions are pretty much directly related to fuel consumption (at least for any particular fuel, burn a litre of diesel and you get quite a bit more CO2 than burning a litre of petrol).

The bands compared to the fuel consumption for petrol are:-

A Up to 100 69.96mpg or better.
B 101-110 61.15mpg or better.
C 111-120 55.8mpg or better
D 121-130 51.51mpg or better.
E 131-140 47.8mpg or better.
F 141-150 44.64mpg or better.
G 151-165 40.58mpg or better.
H 166-175 38.27mpg or better.
I 176-185 36.2mpg or better.
J 186-200 33.48mpg or better.
K* 201-225 29.76mpg or better.
L 226-255 26.26mpg or better.
M Over 255 Worse than 26.26

2.36kg of CO2 from burning 1L of petrol

multijoy wrote:
Doesn't apply to bikes. Good thing too, otherwise we'll have an emissions test on the MOT!


Likely to happen at some point anyway. Emissions testing of cars was in place for getting on for a decade before cars were tested for CO2 emissions for homologation.

All the best

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PostPosted: 09:55 - 30 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Exactly, so why don't they just put fuel duty up and save all the rigmarole.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 30 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Doug97 wrote:
Exactly, so why don't they just put fuel duty up and save all the rigmarole.


Can't think of any good reason why this shouldn't be done and would love it to happen. Main reason appears to be that they wanted to charge more VED (along with income from SORN fines), but due to the fuel strikes they realised that they couldn't get away with increasing fuel duty.

Would save a fortune that is wasted in running the DVLA (around half a billion pounds a year, and I guess most of that is wasted on VED / SORN processing).

By the way, burning a litre of diesel produces about 15% more CO2 than burning a litre of petrol. So for a diesel car the required mpg would be about 15% higher for those tax bands.

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PostPosted: 14:27 - 30 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
Would save a fortune that is wasted in running the DVLA (around half a billion pounds a year, and I guess most of that is wasted on VED / SORN processing).


Sorry to put a negative spin on this fact but, would this not then create thousands more jobless people in an already hard hit part of the UK?

Sometimes the bigger picture is missed. Question
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 30 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Legnum Boy wrote:
Sorry to put a negative spin on this fact but, would this not then create thousands more jobless people in an already hard hit part of the UK?


Is there any point to employing people to do useless tasks?

Personally the bigger picture is to get people into a position to do something useful, not hold them to doing something useless.

If the only reason for employing people at the DVLA is to reduce unemployment then effectively all you are doing is increasing their dole money while telling them they are working.

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PostPosted: 14:42 - 30 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:

Likely to happen at some point anyway.


Bound to. I noticed when I bought my Sprint last year that it had a CO2 category thing on the V5 - never had that on any of my older bikes.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 30 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
Is there any point to employing people to do useless tasks?

They do this in abundance in Westminster, so there must be a point... Wink

Kickstart wrote:
Personally the bigger picture is to get people into a position to do something useful, not hold them to doing something useless.

The current economic state is clearly preventing this from happening. Keeping people productive, even pointlessly, is better than having them sit doing nothing. IMO Neutral
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 30 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Legnum Boy wrote:
They do this in abundance in Westminster, so there must be a point... Wink


And I would rather they didn't do it there either.

Legnum Boy wrote:

The current economic state is clearly preventing this from happening. Keeping people productive, even pointlessly, is better than having them sit doing nothing. IMO Neutral


Part of the cause of the current economic state is due to people not doing anything useful, but getting paid for doing the useless (ie, buying a house and just having it go up in value).

Paying people to just waste others time is useless. Wastes large amounts immediatly but has no return. Certainly isn't productive. The money would be better spent training them to be productive.

If we keep just create more bureaucracy to employ people then we just make those who are productive (and are the only ones generating the revenue to pay those bureaucrats) less efficient inevitably increasing their costs and making them less competitive with their (likely foreign) competition. When they go bust then that is just more people who need to be found jobs.

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PostPosted: 05:11 - 31 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
Some very relevant, clever stuff


Mr Kickstart for PM

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LordShaftesbu...
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 02 Aug 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Legnum Boy wrote:

The current economic state is clearly preventing this from happening. Keeping people productive, even pointlessly, is better than having them sit doing nothing. IMO Neutral


Yeah but there's so many non-pointless jobs they could be doing instead ... filling in potholes, caring for the sick/elderly etc.

Even if all they would be good for was bureaucratic churning (quite likely IMO), they could still be used to reduce waiting time for passports, tax returns etc.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 16 Oct 2009    Post subject: Re: tax rates Reply with quote
covdude wrote:
how does the following apply to bikes, ie whats the average co2 output on our bikes in relation to the link.

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_172916

thanks

steve


Nah as others have said, don't apply to bikes, scroll down this page

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

And you'll see bikes. Though its not related to emissions, luckily for us. Though my car is £5 cheaper next year to tax but my parents will be paying more ..saying that I will have sold my car by this time Confused
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 17 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Haha, my car tax is £20 next year Very Happy 3 grams of C02 less and it would be free though Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 20 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
MattHirst wrote:
Haha, my car tax is £20 next year Very Happy 3 grams of C02 less and it would be free though Crying or Very sad


what car you got?
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 21 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
MattHirst wrote:
Haha, my car tax is £20 next year Very Happy 3 grams of C02 less and it would be free though Crying or Very sad


pah, my smart roadster is 1g into the the £120 bracket.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 21 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Imyself wrote:
MattHirst wrote:
Haha, my car tax is £20 next year Very Happy 3 grams of C02 less and it would be free though Crying or Very sad


what car you got?


Nissan Pixo Embarassed

Same as the 09 Suzuki Alto.
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