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PostPosted: 23:11 - 20 Sep 2009    Post subject: Boy, 12, turns up for school as a girl after sex swap Reply with quote

A boy of 12 has started living as a girl and is preparing to become the world's youngest person to have a sex swap operation.

The youngster left classmates bewildered after he started his new school wearing a dress and with his hair in pigtails.

His parents, who are fully supporting his decision, have had his name changed by deed poll to that of a girl.

But the change has caused controversy at his secondary school where an emergency assembly was called after the boy was targeted by bullies.

Teachers told pupils to treat him as a female and to only refer to him by his new name.

But some parents say the handling of the issue has left their children upset and confused. One mother said the school should have informed parents by letter before the term started.

'They behaved appallingly by throwing this hand grenade into the room and then leaving the inevitable questions about it for unprepared parents,' she said.

'Maybe we could have encouraged our kids to be more sensitive if we'd had a chance to be involved.'

Another mother, whose daughter knew the boy from primary school, said: 'Parents surely have a right to know when their children are being confronted with such sensitive issues as gender realignment.

'It is not fair either for the child who is undergoing this change.

'The girl, as she now is, will go through hell because of how this has been handled.'

The boy, who has not been named and lives with his parents in a three-bedroom semi in an upmarket village in West Sussex, started at the 1,000-pupil comprehensive this month.

The headteacher had discussions with his parents before allowing him to start school as a girl. He has been given his own changing rooms and toilet.

Sources said the youngster had confided in friends that he wanted to be a girl and would put on a bikini to go swimming and use a Barbie towel. He rode to primary school on a pink scooter and wore pink ribbons in his hair.

His mother said: 'We are committed to ensuring the very best for our child. We are working with other agencies to ensure our child's welfare is protected.'

The boy has been absent from school in recent days because of the continued bullying and his family are under police protection after receiving threats with patrols regularly checking their home.

It is understood that the boy is preparing for an operation to change his gender. The first step is to take hormone treatment. But the procedure is illegal here until after puberty.

German Kim Petras - born Tim - became the world's youngest transsexual at 16 earlier this year.

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Switch: Kim Petras is currently the world's youngest transsexual after having gender reassignment surgery earlier this year at the age of 16

Transgender counsellor David Hawley said the pupil had shown great 'strength of character'.

He added: 'It is very unusual for a child of that age to be so clear about what they want to do. She has had a lot of support from her parents.'

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PostPosted: 03:21 - 21 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:40 - 21 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is now apparently another one who is 9 Shocked

I have not read into these stories but the media has made out that it is simply a case of young boys wanting to become girls, If this is the case then the parents are idiots and so are the people/organizations who let it happen.

A more genuine reason for this happening would be if the child had a particular hormone/hermaphrodite condition where they were almost half way between sexes, if this is the case I feel sorry for the children who have been exposed by the media for a condition that they have little control over.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 21 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAMSXR wrote:

if the child had a particular hormone/hermaphrodite condition .


I think that this may be the case, if he/she was black African she may be able to win a few medals.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 21 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the media has made out that it is simply a case of young boys wanting to become girls, If this is the case then the parents are idiots and so are the people/organizations who let it happen.


What's the problem? If they want to be girls let them. Who exactly are they harming?
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 21 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug97 wrote:
JAMSXR wrote:
the media has made out that it is simply a case of young boys wanting to become girls, If this is the case then the parents are idiots and so are the people/organizations who let it happen.


What's the problem? If they want to be girls let them. Who exactly are they harming?


your the kinda fucker that would marry one and never notice eh Laughing .
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 21 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug97 wrote:


What's the problem? If they want to be girls let them. Who exactly are they harming?


When I was 9 I wanted to be an amazing explorer finding lost treasures. When I was 12 I thought being a fighter pilot was the best thing in the world.

Now I'm 25 an I work as a scientist. Sure, I can change my career at any time within reason, however, sewing the kids bollocks back on once the hormone rage of puberty is over is slightly more problematic.

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PostPosted: 07:29 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's the problem? If they want to be girls let them. Who exactly are they harming?


Exactly what GhostRider said.. No 9 or 12 year old should be able to have a sex change unless it's a medical problem.

Can you not see the problem with it?
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PostPosted: 07:37 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:07 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAMSXR wrote:
Exactly what GhostRider said.. No 9 or 12 year old should be able to have a sex change unless it's a medical problem.


Nowhere does it say that a 9 or 12 year old will be given sex change surgery.

However I think my main problem is that I don't really care one way or the other. Why should I?
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug97 wrote:


Nowhere does it say that a 9 or 12 year old will be given sex change surgery.

However I think my main problem is that I don't really care one way or the other. Why should I?


Confused Hmmmm, doug92's mental note to self "Must not smoke crack before posting on BCF"

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A boy of 12 has started living as a girl and is preparing to become the world's youngest person to have a sex swap operation.


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It is understood that the boy is preparing for an operation to change his gender. The first step is to take hormone treatment. But the procedure is illegal here until after puberty.



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However I think my main problem is that I don't really care one way or the other. Why should I?


I will never ever understand why people jump into a thread to announce that they do not care about the thread topic. Christ, if I went about writing "I dont care about this" in every BCF thread for which the statement was true I'd have to quit my job to make sure I got 'em all..... what is it you're expecting, a victory blow-job and cigar??

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PostPosted: 13:22 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:44 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is true though, the press leapt upon the idea of a child getting a sex change op when the truth is completely different. You can't have a sex change op in the UK until you are over 18 years of age, even then you are assessed after having lived as a female fully for a period not less than two years.

Only then does the hormone treatment start after which another period of time passes before surgery is contemplated.

I don't know if doug97 smokes crack or not, but he's right enough. I'm surprised you thought the story was correct coming as it does from the Daily Mail...

Personally? I would've advised my kids (if I had any) to hang fire on the frocks and bangs until a wee bit later in life. Although others have made a similar transition at a similar age without any fuss.

Kids are adaptable but they are also cruel. That headline is spurious and the story as reported in what is at best a total rag of a newspaper is misleading in the extreme.

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PostPosted: 16:07 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've a relative whose son is about 6 (might be 7 now), and as long as I can remember, he has always wanted to be a girl, to the point of "wanting to chop my winkie off" and bursting into tears after seeing a friend of ours (dressed as a Greek goddess for a fancy dress party) wailing that he could never be as beautiful as she was, because he's a boy.

Now, he's not had a strong male role model in his life, and this may be a reaction to seeing the attention his slightly elder sister gets (who is OCD and a control freak, but that's a different story) whenever she wants, but there may be a an underlying medical condition, maybe a set of ovaries up there, some wierd hormane activity, who knows.

Just having a surname change caused kids at our school to get unwanted attention. If, for whatever reason, the kid truly feels that something is wrong, and it's decided that gender reassignment (or whatever PC term du jour it is) is the way to go, then it's fucking stupid for the parents to let the kid go back to the same school where the kid was previously the other sex.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
You can't have a sex change op in the UK until you are over 18 years of age, even then you are assessed after having lived as a female fully for a period not less than two years.

Only then does the hormone treatment start after which another period of time passes before surgery is contemplated.


Hmmm, not possible in the uk.......what to do what to do......perhaps.......do it........ in............ another country??

In addition, I'm not analysing the merits of the Daily Mails reporting strategem. Doug97 said it mentioned surgery nowhere. Quite clearly it did.

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Just having a surname change caused kids at our school to get unwanted attention. If, for whatever reason, the kid truly feels that something is wrong, and it's decided that gender reassignment (or whatever PC term du jour it is) is the way to go, then it's fucking stupid for the parents to let the kid go back to the same school where the kid was previously the other sex.


That is a very good point as well. What the hell did they think would happen? It's like gutting a seal in the ocean and telling the sharks to leave be.

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PostPosted: 20:57 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
In addition, I'm not analysing the merits of the Daily Mails reporting strategem. Doug97 said it mentioned surgery nowhere.


I did nothing of the kind. I said, quite correctly, that the article did not state that someone as young as 12 would be getting a sex change operation. Just because they're "preparing" for it doesn't mean it's going to happen in the same year, or any time soon. I was quite aware of the policy of insisting that the applicant "prove" their intentions by living as the opposite sex for an extended period.

Perhaps smoking crack would improve your reading comprehension skills?

Personally if it was my kid then I wouldn't have encouraged him so much ... probably best if left a bit later, but then maybe they had their reasons.

I'm surprised so many are getting so purple-faced and indignant when all they've got to go on in terms of facts is a Daily Mail article. Really, people ought to know better.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmmm, not possible in the uk.......what to do what to do......perhaps.......do it........ in............ another country??


Even if they did go abroad, no way are they having it done anytime soon so the reporting is still shoddy. It leads (stupid) people to believe they're having it down a week on Tuesday.

Anyway, this is just another example of frothing tabloid reportage the point of which is take advantage of the UK publics affection for knee jerk reaction in order to part them with a few pence for a 'newspaper' which is more interested in revenue than veracity.

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PostPosted: 22:09 - 22 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
ghostrider wrote:
Hmmm, not possible in the uk.......what to do what to do......perhaps.......do it........ in............ another country??


Even if they did go abroad, no way are they having it done anytime soon so the reporting is still shoddy. It leads (stupid) people to believe they're having it down a week on Tuesday.



Oh I dunno, if the moneys there anything is possible.

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PostPosted: 14:01 - 23 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh I dunno, if the moneys there anything is possible.

GhostRider


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PostPosted: 19:50 - 23 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess people can do what they want with their bodies, have bits chopped off or whatever.

However, as the recent hoo-haa about the south african athlete has shown, if you are genetically one gender, you will physically always be that gender, even if you chop bits off and take hormones.

Live and let live, etc but sadly the money of taxpayers will be wasted, and anyone saying unacceptable truths about their opinions on such daftness will be treated unfairly.

Politically correctness gone mad.

Chances are if the kid doesnt have the op, and just dresses as a girl for a bit, he will just grow out of his gender confusion.

Chop bits off, and he will have to pretend he is a girl for life and be cross with anyone who points out he isnt really a girl.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 23 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh look, col's finally finished fapping over this thread long enough to contribute.

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PostPosted: 13:39 - 24 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
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What's the problem? If they want to be girls let them. Who exactly are they harming?


When I was 9 I wanted to be an amazing explorer finding lost treasures. When I was 12 I thought being a fighter pilot was the best thing in the world.

Now I'm 25 an I work as a scientist. Sure, I can change my career at any time within reason, however, sewing the kids bollocks back on once the hormone rage of puberty is over is slightly more problematic.

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PostPosted: 19:03 - 24 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now I'm 25 an I work as a scientist. Sure, I can change my career at any time within reason, however, sewing the kids bollocks back on once the hormone rage of puberty is over is slightly more problematic.


As a 'scientist', where do you theorise the hormones would come from for this rage if he's got no gonads?

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Now I'm 25 an I work as a scientist. Sure, I can change my career at any time within reason, however, sewing the kids bollocks back on once the hormone rage of puberty is over is slightly more problematic.

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Or at least it would be if the kid actually had his bollocks cut off. But he hasn't, and won't any time soon.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 24 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug97 wrote:


As a 'scientist', where do you theorise the hormones would come from for this rage if he's got no gonads?



Well you can;t set your watch to puberty, never heard the reports of girls as young as 9 beginning menstruation? It is perfectly plausible that this boy has already began puberty and thus is effected by hormonal imbalances. If you really want to get specific, testosterone precursors are formed within the zona reticularis of the adrenal cortex and many of these have androgenic activity comparable with testosterone itself. Thats my theory as a 'scientist'.

Or if you are referring to the fact that post-op he would have no testicles and therefore would have no testosterone? If he was post-op he would be doped up on female hormones, so the fact still remains, if not more so.

OR are you making a link between my use of the word "rage" and the presence of testosterone? Because I was speaking figuratively, in the sense that puberty as a whole clouds ones judgements.

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Or at least it would be if the kid actually had his bollocks cut off. But he hasn't, and won't any time soon.


Going by the article, it stated he was set to become the worlds youngest transexual, which means he has 4 years in which to beat the record, which is still too young to be making those kinds of decisions.

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PostPosted: 11:25 - 25 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted to put that ^ But dont have the time nor patience to construct it.


My main issue is that it says he's gonna be the worlds youngest (or thats the plan) and I believe, even at 16, it is too young for that decision, knowing how I developed myself and what thought processes puberty can have an effect on.
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