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guyal
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Is leaving my bike unrestricted worth the risk? Reply with quote

I've pretty much decided to go for a bike which puts out about 50hp. Since the limit for my age is 33hp, I should legally get this bike restricted, but have asked around and have been quoted £250 and £300. Is it with this, for 2 years of restriction? I've spoken to numerous people who have not bothered restricting their bikes.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both the point you raised and the one I am about to mention have been done to death on this forum, try using the search.
But if you decide to get restricted, do not pay that much for it. The certificate is worthless and if you really want one..buy from ebay for 20 quid.
You didn't say what bike it is but I imagine it is as simple as washers in the carbs or some kind of new diaphragm. These cost between 20-30 quid or could even get washers made.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

People who bother with restrictions take it up the gary! Or maybe they are just sensible, I can't decide?

I would not bother, but from what I have heard/read the police are more aware about the whole situation then they were a few years ago.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on how important your licence is to you.

You might get away with it, but the penalties (especially to someone within first 2 yr) can be severe.

The cost of the restriction you quoted would prob be less than the fine if caught.

However as said you could prob restrict a lot cheaper than you have been qouted.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends. If you have an off, your insurance could become invalidated which would land you in a lot of bother. There is also the slim chance that the police might decide to test the bike themselves for some reason.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Search one of the million threads already on the subject, basically most people will tell you they didn't bother and where fine. I am one of them.

a small percentage got caught and where done for it. I was pull by the old bill 3 times during my restricted period and it was only once even mentioned.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

JAMSXR wrote:


I would not bother, but from what I have heard/read the police are more aware about the whole situation then they were a few years ago.



I,ve been hearing that too seems like theres alot more awareness about the restriction these days then 6 years ago when l was 17 being regularly stopped on a full power 145bhp YZF1000R with nothing being said about it being restricted.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the bike, you're age and how you ride.

If you're young, have a sports bike and ride like a fanny; it's definitely a risk.

If you're older have anything other than an obvious sports bike and ride sedately, you'll probably be ok.

I fell into that latter category, was pulled over several times for this and that and (as above) was only ever asked once and even then, it was a half hearted whimper because they had nothing else to go on.

Since you're young, if the bike isn't crazy and you ride safely, you'd probably get away with it. But obviously we can't say that because a) the H&S/'I sat my full test so you should too' brigade* would moan and b) sods law dictates since I'd said it, you'll get stopped tomorrow morning.

Basically it's up to you. It's your decision and your responsibility. If I had to put a percentage on though, I'd say you have a 90% chance at getting away with it, although that slides way down depending on the bike.

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*Even although the tests are identical just done on different sized machines.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Restrict it yourself if you can, find out what's required for your particular bike, either get the parts made up yourself such as washers, or sometimes you can restriction kits for some bikes off ebay for £30 or so.
Paying FI International prices is unnecessary as the certificate has no legal standing. If you do get pulled and the police are arsey with you they'll dyno your bike regardless of any pieces of paper you wave at them.
Chances are as long as you're not stupid you hopefully won't ever have any encounters with the police or they won't bother with the hassle of running dyno tests and filling out reams of paperwork for impounding the bike on a suspicion.
However if you cause an accident and they find your bike is unrestricted, it means you're riding outside of your license and your insurance is invalidated. Big trouble.

Just for the record though, I've yet to come across an insurance company who ask about restricted licenses and include 33bhp restriction as a declarable mod. So your insurance would only come into question if it was flagged up you'd been riding outside of your licence. Such as a result of police investigation.

It's up to you whether you want to take the risk. Some do some don't, but for the sake of £20 or £30 odd and getting your hands a bit dirty, just restrict it yourself and don't worry.
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yuri2085 wrote:
try using the search.

My bad; I'll admit to laziness.
yuri2085 wrote:
The certificate is worthless

I thought the certificate was all there was to prove that it had been restricted, in case of an accident or some such?
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
I'd say you have a 90% chance at getting away with it, although that slides way down depending on the bike.


Here's what I was thinking:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200943344503058/sort/priceasc/usedbikes/engine-size-bikes/325cc_to_525cc/postcode/ne55np/quicksearch/true/page/1?previous=%2Fsearch%2Fresults%2Fusedbikes%2Fpostcode%2Fne55np%2Fengine-size-bikes%2F325cc_to_525cc%2Fquicksearch%2Ftrue%2Fsort%2Fpriceasc%2Fpage%2F1&anchor=advert200943344503058&logcode=p#
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

BelleBot wrote:
regardless of any pieces of paper you wave at them.


You're sure that a self installed restricter would be legal?

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for the sake of £20 or £30 odd and getting your hands a bit dirty,


And a loss of speed/ acceleration surely, no?

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PostPosted: 15:26 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for the record someone crashed into me on my RS125 (full power) before I had my full license, so it should have been restricted and I had no problem claiming from their insurance company. I know every insurance company is different but when I was driving my GSXR600 (full power) on a restricted license they never asked about restrictions and I got the impression that if I were to make a claim I would have had no problem, unless the Police had got involved and pointed out that I should have been restricted.

It's like having a wank on the computer when you have family in the house.... Is it really worth the risk?
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of you curious, here's what said bike looks like:

https://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=1007453953
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

guyal wrote:

I thought the certificate was all there was to prove that it had been restricted, in case of an accident or some such?


Only proves it was restricted on that date, you could have removed the restrictors after having them fitted. Hence why it doesn't prove anything.

The bike you're looking at probably won't be too much of a risk, trying to get away with a unrestricted gixxer or the like on a restricted licence is fool's errand, but that shouldn't draw too much attention to itself.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

BelleBot wrote:
guyal wrote:

I thought the certificate was all there was to prove that it had been restricted, in case of an accident or some such?


Only proves it was restricted on that date, you could have removed the restrictors after having them fitted. Hence why it doesn't prove anything.

The bike you're looking at probably won't be too much of a risk, trying to get away with a unrestricted gixxer or the like on a restricted licence is fool's errand, but that shouldn't draw too much attention to itself.


All it actually proves is somebody printed out abit of paper saying that a bike has less than 33bhp.
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

guyal wrote:
I thought the certificate was all there was to prove that it had been restricted, in case of an accident or some such?


In the UK the certificate is legally meaningless. The law has no requirement for any kind of proof that the bike is under the 25kW / 33hp limit, just that the bike mustn't exceed the power limit.

guyal wrote:
You're sure that a self installed restricter would be legal?


No reason why not.

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PostPosted: 15:37 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd bet money on your being fine on a bike like that.

But again, the caveat is; there is always a risk.

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PostPosted: 16:34 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that on a bike that only makes 50~ bhp then you will probably be OK. I'm sure very few police are fully aware of the actual law.

If you go out and buy a Hayabusa and don't restrict it, then expect trouble.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yuri2085 wrote:
The certificate is worthless and if you really want one..buy from ebay for 20 quid.


Why pay when with a little searching you can find one on BCF?

Real:

https://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/ms51ves3/FiInternationalGenuineRestrictionCe.jpg

Home made:

https://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/ms51ves3/Firestrictioncertificate.jpg

Download at the bottom.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Decided my licence was too important to risk, for what a mere 471 days. Neutral


Oh I can't wait for it to end.


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PostPosted: 17:29 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

i only have a gs500, not been pulled..well did in the early hours of the morning..say 3am, wondering what i was doing out.
it puts out around 51ish hp..i havent got it restricted as it tops out about 110 anyway...i dont often do that speed.
I just figure if i get caught, i live with it, but i dont ride like a tit, dont really overtake, i sit behind cars...just like a car driver..but the knowledge that its costing me a 10th of a car driver = win!!
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only got until January then I'm ou of my 2 years, and I'm not going to be riding again until March anyway, so I think I'm sorted! Thumbs Up Smile
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: 20:22 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

neilb wrote:
Sometimes I was coming up on traffic on a country road doing 70MPH and didn’t have anything left to handle the overtake


Does this mean your bike was limited to 70mph with the restrictor on? How does it compare to the top speed without restriction?
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