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mattsmith95
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 19 Jul 2009    Post subject: Biker leads police in 139mph chase Reply with quote
The police video is on this link...
https://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Biker-leads-police-139mph-chase/article-1176606-detail/article.html

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A MOTORCYCLIST who was followed by police at speeds of up to 139mph on an East Riding road has been jailed for dangerous driving.

Video footage taken by a police motorcyclist captures David Saxby in a "shocking" piece of riding on the A166 between Wetwang and Fridaythorpe, near Driffield.

Saxby, 40, of Rowley Grove, north Hull was jailed for 12 months after a jury at Hull Crown Court convicted him of dangerous driving.

His co-accused Nicholas King, 34, of Dulverton Close, Bransholme, was cleared of dangerous driving and of careless driving.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 19 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I feel sick
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 19 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've said this before but i don't see how you can send someone to jail for what if's, when people who have assaulted someone get less.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 19 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
There has to be more to this case?

The fact his mate who he was riding with was presumably doing similar speeds was "cleared" of DD and CD is surely evident there must be some previous history or other aggrevating factors that haven't been made public.

Also disqualified for 4 years. Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
The bit that always surprises me is how the cops doing 139 mph to catch up is always misrepresented as the driver / rider's speed.

There must've been far more evidence presented in court than this video which shows absolutely nothing.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
daemonoid wrote:
...There must've been far more evidence presented in court than this video which shows absolutely nothing.

Have to agree there has to be more to it than just the video...
Hull Daily Mail wrote:
...PC Smith, who has been an advanced motorcyclist with Humberside Police for the past eight years, said: "I had to increase my speed and my level of risk in order to keep up with Saxby.

"I was trying to operate video equipment, to see what was happening on the road and to talk on the radio.

"The dangerousness of this driving is shown on the video."


First, it's worrying that a police officer had to increase his level of skill. Shouldn't he be riding at his most skillful all the time? That's what I'd expect when my taxes are paying their wages.

Second, as said above, the acceleration and therefore speed of the police bike is no indication of the speed of the bike in front.

Third, police officer multitasking, if he had difficulty doing the job he should be trained to do then maybe he shouldn't be doing the job? Otherwise, it's just part of the job and shouldn't have caused any problems (as is implied it did).

Fourth, The dangerousness of this driving is shown on the video. Sadly IMO not blindingly obvious to me from that video. Seems like straight roads, very little traffic. Bikes slowed correctly entering village.

As said, must be other factors, possibly explained in court, not included in a quick newspaper report.

Confused

Mind you, agree with the judge's comments,
Judge Roger Thorn QC wrote:
...had given bikers a bad name
as any publicised case like this tends to tar everyone who rides a bike with the same brush in the eyes of non-bike riders.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
map wrote:
daemonoid wrote:
...There must've been far more evidence presented in court than this video which shows absolutely nothing.

Have to agree there has to be more to it than just the video...
Hull Daily Mail wrote:
...PC Smith, who has been an advanced motorcyclist with Humberside Police for the past eight years, said: "I had to increase my speed and my level of risk in order to keep up with Saxby.

"I was trying to operate video equipment, to see what was happening on the road and to talk on the radio.

"The dangerousness of this driving is shown on the video."


First, it's worrying that a police officer had to increase his level of skill. Shouldn't he be riding at his most skillful all the time? That's what I'd expect when my taxes are paying their wages.

Second, as said above, the acceleration and therefore speed of the police bike is no indication of the speed of the bike in front.

Third, police officer multitasking, if he had difficulty doing the job he should be trained to do then maybe he shouldn't be doing the job? Otherwise, it's just part of the job and shouldn't have caused any problems (as is implied it did).

Fourth, The dangerousness of this driving is shown on the video. Sadly IMO not blindingly obvious to me from that video. Seems like straight roads, very little traffic. Bikes slowed correctly entering village.

As said, must be other factors, possibly explained in court, not included in a quick newspaper report.

Confused

Mind you, agree with the judge's comments,
Judge Roger Thorn QC wrote:
...had given bikers a bad name
as any publicised case like this tends to tar everyone who rides a bike with the same brush in the eyes of non-bike riders.


Thing is if even just ONE speeding motorcyclist now thinks "Wow I could go to prison for just speeding and get what this guy got, I'm definitely going to slow down from now on" then the media/police have done something pro-active, positive.

I feel this kind of thing is typically held back on the background details so it basicly looks like if you do this speed you can go to prison.

My thoughts are there must be some background to this that isn't and won't be publised for that purpose. ? who knows.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thing that stuck out for me was how badly the copper parked when he pulled up alongside the rider at the side of the road, just a small thing I know.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
never seen that b4fore ,seemed to in total control
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I read in the mirror he claimed he was better qualified to ride at those speeds than the police motorcyclist. Now I don't care who you are, telling a police officer your better than them when their prosecuting you is never a good idea.

I do however, even though i want to be a police motorcyclist myself, agree that speed is safe. It's the nuggets who make it unsafe, but if your good enough to ride at these speeds, then you spot the nuggets before they don't see you, and you give them a wide birth.

It's no good painting us all with one brush, because motorcyclists are alot more aware of the situation they are in, and alot more involved in the world, especially in poor weather. It's like this new bike test with the swerve manouvre, you ride to your skill level, not a standard. You need to slow down, you slow down, and stay within your comfort level to ensure your safety. All this drives me round the bend. How are people like me, who want to respect the police, supposed to respect them when they help give out sentences like this. Yes, he should have lost his license, just for getting caught, but prison, get serious. COMMON SENSE PEOPLE (as in police and CPS)

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PostPosted: 21:33 - 20 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I hate the way the headline makes it look like the biker was doing 139mph when in the article it states that he was seen doing in excess of 100mph (usually means 100-110mph) and it was the officer who was doing 139mph.
Just annoys me.

But 12months in prison! Your better of robbing a bank!
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
A bit more info here: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/July/jul2009-12-months-jail-for-speeding-biker/
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
PC Smith wrote:
I was riding the world’s fastest road bike and pushing it hard


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PostPosted: 10:21 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
nutter wrote:
I read in the mirror he claimed he was better qualified to ride at those speeds than the police motorcyclist. Now I don't care who you are, telling a police officer your better than them when their prosecuting you is never a good idea.


In fairness, from the evidence supplied on that video, he's probably right. Plod was feathering the throttle like a frightened virgin whenever he got near 120, I've ridden in packs doing that sort of speed on much twistier roads.

If that's the standard of police riding and that's the kind of penalty you face, I'd be a lot more tempted to make a run for it in future.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Saxby who had a conviction for driving while disqualified in 1993


I guess my suspicions about previous history were correct.

Also he had to have been disqualified originally for them to do him for driving whilst... so I guess there's even more history.

Having said that 93 was some time ago... could that still go against him?
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 21 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
nick606 wrote:
I've said this before but i don't see how you can send someone to jail for what if's, when people who have assaulted someone get less.


Far far less.

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PostPosted: 00:06 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
ms51ves3 wrote:
nick606 wrote:
I've said this before but i don't see how you can send someone to jail for what if's, when people who have assaulted someone get less.


Far far less.

Clicky


It's mental, absolutely mental.

I was watching a cop/cam program tonight with my girlfriend and some guy who burgled a victims house whilst he was asleep upstairs, took his key for his bike, stole his bike then crashed it, got caught at the scene red handed and got 150 hours community service.

Last guy I know who had community service said he was mowing a field in the sun for a couple of hours then went round one of the guys house to suck on some mdma for the rest of the day. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Hetzer wrote:
If the scumbag was done for ABH (as he was) he was clearly not held responsible for the eye-loss (GBH), so must have been far less involved in the assault.


Perhaps they all just agreed to plead guilty for the lower offence, rather than contest GBH.

Regardless, it is ridiculous.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Come on look at the cunt of a judge.

https://www.hull.ac.uk/law/profiles/thorn.html

Makes you want to smack him in the face.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fucking outrageous, both stories.
You hear it all the time though, makes you want to stick a balaclava on and take a baseball bat to the fucking scum that do that kind of thing to innocent people.

I swear there have been cases of kids nicking a cars, joy riding it, above the speed limit then crashing it and getting off with a caution or a driving ban (when they are too young to drive anyway).

Its a perfect example of the law singling out motorcyclist and making examples of them, just because they ride a motorcycle.
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Most joyriders get a caution for their first offence, after that they can get a supervision order and finally comes a custodial sentence for the most serious offenders.


grrrr Evil or Very Mad

Holy fucking shit just found this, its absolutely fucking outrageous the difference in attitudes between cars and motorcycles, or at least Judges opinions!!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026054/Serial-joyrider-kills-mother-crash-just-months-courts-let-walk-free.html

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A nurse was killed in front of her young son by a serial joyrider who weeks earlier had walked free despite pleading guilty to another hit-and-run crash.


So running people over is not as bad as speeding down a country road by yourself, only causing immediate danger to yourself Question Question Question Question Question
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 22 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Try and contact this guys lawyer and point out these cases.

Hopefully showing the punishment was so disproportionate and not ruining this mans life and potentially causing him to turn to crime.
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WTF? Justice... my arse Rolling Eyes
I'll present this as evidence of his being an establishment loving arse wipe, people like this aren't fit to handle that sort of power.
I'll tell the courts to go fuck when my day comes.
Steal from the vulnerable, creating distress and real grief,
hard earned belongings that are irreplaceable and precious and MR Thorn will slap this on you:
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Dare you take from the thieving corrupt state and we'll have to make an EXAMPLE of you:
https://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Benefit-fraudster-jailed-months/article-1061350-detail/article.html

Pathetic, how can the courts be trusted nowadays? I've always maintained that justice is a joke, all these cunts are interested in is covering their own so that they can continue to leach and live in comfort whilst the rest of us have to slog on. Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 24 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hetzer wrote:
How do scum like this make it to the bench?


Usually by serving time as someone's fag at public shcool.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 30 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd imagine it's a 'boys' club.

As said, 12 months in prison is disgusting, absolute bullshit. These people, like politicians are removed from the real world, yet make desicions about our lives.

The gap widens... and thoughts come to me about the crappy, ancient system we have to put up with, boys clubs, house of lords, civil list, justice system and the fact that SOMETHING makes these people RIGHT, beyond reproach and answerable to no one.

I just know that these sleazy bastards are up to their necks in shit, I doubt strongly that any have lived a moral, blameless life... I doubt any of us have, WE ARE ALL CUNTS.

The power these people/system has over us is disgusting. 12 friggin' months?
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