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Would you consider one of these for commuting?
Definitely
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 11%  [ 8 ]
Possibly
31%
 31%  [ 21 ]
Fark off
56%
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bazza
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Would you? Reply with quote

Hydrogen fuel celled scooter:

https://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/27/suzuki_burgman/

https://regmedia.co.uk/2009/10/26/suzuki_burgman_01.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 27 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

sure Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like it has down syndrome Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and the bike – although still just a concept – would be capable of travelling up to 220 miles when cruising an average speed of 30kph (20mph).

20!? No thanks.

If someone brought one out with a reasonable top speed, and the hydrogen fuel costs weren't as expensive as petrol, and maintenance was a lot cheaper on fuel cell bikes then I would.

Why do they always have to put the fancy technology in boring looking vehicles? If they made a fuel cell sportsbike then surely more people would be interested?
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkJ wrote:
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and the bike – although still just a concept – would be capable of travelling up to 220 miles when cruising an average speed of 30kph (20mph).

20!? No thanks.

If someone brought one out with a reasonable top speed...


What the hell are you on? It doesn't say the top speed is 20mph, just that you will be able to go 220 miles if you went along at 20mph. Obviously if you go faster, you can't go as far.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said possibly because this would completely depend on the cost of hydrogen once there's an established market for it and the infrastructure for it. As neither of these things seem to exist yet I suppose I can't say. I probably wouldn't want a scooter even for town anyway, I like the style and riding position of my bike.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hydrogen will never take off because you need energy to create hydrogen and that energy comes from fossil fuels Laughing
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T1z3R
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 29 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Hydrogen will never take off because you need energy to create hydrogen and that energy comes from fossil fuels Laughing


its easy to make your own.

i do Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 30 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, hydrogen is simply a great way of storing energy. You can produce it from green sources of energy like solar and wind, and more importantly, could produce it from nuclear power Thumbs Up
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ms51ves3: why does it need 500 miles? Are you teaching it how to be a piston?
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 30 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a burgman with a horrible nose job.
Burgman doesn't look that bad normally. Why would they ruin its looks... Jeez..

https://www.suzuki-bikes.com/images/burgman400.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly, but I'd rather have something more along the lines of this...

https://www.speedace.info/speedace_images/electric_core_fuel_cell_inv_motorbike.jpg
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 31 Oct 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
Possibly, but I'd rather have something more along the lines of this...

https://www.speedace.info/speedace_images/electric_core_fuel_cell_inv_motorbike.jpg


The girl or the bike?

Hydrogen fuel cells are probably the future as the big oil companies can pretend they are being green, still get to stitch us up on the price of the stuff.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

this hydrogen fuel cell is crap. as mentioned above hydrogen needs to be separated from oxygen only to be oxidised again.

i think fission and fusion are the only thing that will solve this energy crisis at the moment.
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PostPosted: 23:50 - 10 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_godfather wrote:
this hydrogen fuel cell is crap. as mentioned above hydrogen needs to be separated from oxygen only to be oxidised again.

i think fission and fusion are the only thing that will solve this energy crisis at the moment.


I disagree, I think hydrogen fuel cells are fantastic. Hydrogen is one of the most abundant substances on earth. I think of it similar to say having a process that simply lets you create petrol by using only energy and extracting carbon from the air.

Well with hydrogen you can create it as long as you have pure water and an energy source. Once you have this pure hydrogen you have stored your potential energy and can now be used when ever and however is needed.

As I said, it's a great way of storing energy. You can't say the same for anything else at all. All power plants at the moment aren't really using their energy efficiently enough. They're plugged in to our national grid and only a certain amount of that power is used. If every last bit of surplus power went towards creating and storing hydrogen in fuel cells then this would be greatly advantageous.
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ms51ves3: why does it need 500 miles? Are you teaching it how to be a piston?
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PostPosted: 01:23 - 11 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I said 'possibly' and not 'definitely' only because I don't like the look of the bike. For my commuting needs (almost exclusively in a 30mph zone), I'd be more than happy to have a more environment friendly bike, as long as I liked the design, i.e., it'd look more like a Vespa GT.

Apparently, performance wise the Burgman is like any 125cc scoot, so good enough even for motorways. A hybrid Vespa GT would be ideal for me, and I'd be happy to pay extra for that over a purely petrol version, but only within reason.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 11 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who voted fark off to the original I propose a similar alternative:

https://jalopnik.com/5401691/brammo-enertia-electric-motorcycle-reduces-price-to-7995

I'd have one of these - cos it's not a moped Wink
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 14 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sticker on the side makes it look like ts an action man vehicle.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 14 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
Lots of valid hydrogen related stuff...


Quite agree...

I think the biggest advantage hydrogen has over batteries is the fact that the recharge is 'instant' just like petrol. I have the extra problem that I can't guarantee a parking spot outside my house so have to use a fuel that can be refilled/recharged away from home.

The only disadvantage is the way it's generated, as you say the wasted energy could be used, as could micro generation - vehicles with solar panels could actually be useful. Although we all know nuclear is the way to go in the short term.
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