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Chris750
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: 7 speed??????????? Reply with quote
Just looking on ebay to have a look at bikes similar to mine just to see what its worth.
This one is similar to mine, couple of years older but the guy reckons its 7 speed, whats that all about, no bike ive ever ridden has had 7 gears, unless he's including neutral as a gear??????

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SUZUKI-GSX-R-750-W-BLACK-MAUVE_W0QQitemZ260507483744QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycles?hash=item3ca774be60
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Faldo
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd imagine he's simply selected the wrong option on the dropdown list when he's listed the bike. Either that or he's listed it using the reg number, and some numpty at the DVLA had entered the transmission as 7 speed manual.

Some Cagiva Mitos have seven gears BTW.
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Chris750
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Glad you said that, I half expected people to say x, y, z bike are seven speed, don't you know nothing? And half expecting the guy was wrong.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's 6 gears plus a false neutral between 3rd and 4th.
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G
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: 7 speed??????????? Reply with quote
At that price with those miles, I'd hope it had something pretty special Razz.
Cagiva Mito is the only bike of recent time with seven gears that I know and not all models at that.
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
hate to be a smartarse, but afaik, the mito was the only bike with a seven speed gear box.... until recently.
doesnt the aprilia mana (i think) have a gear box thats switchable between auto & seven speed manual?
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 22 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's why I said 'that I know' Smile... from a quick google it seems the mana does kinda have seven gears, but only kinda because it has seven selectable out of an infinite number (CVT) actually Razz.
I wonder if you could hack it to play about with the way the gears work Thinking.
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PostPosted: 00:18 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
My old Cagiva Freccia had 7 speed, no point in it though because the bike wouldnt get all the way to the rev ceiling of 6th gear to make any use of an upshift. Mabey the sprockets had been changed or the motor was just weak after countless rebores and carb problems. Confused

That 750 W dont have seven speed, he would have mentioned the extensive amount of gearbox fabrication that would have happened in the description of the bike below.

Lovely example of an awesome bike by the way.
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PostPosted: 09:22 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I want a well over-geared seventh gear on my KTM that won't rev-out for relaxed cruising and hopefully better fuel economy.
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Chris750
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
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At that price with those miles, I'd hope it had something pretty special .


Thats what made me think it may have not been a mistake and may in fact have seven gears as its seems priced higher than other similar examples. Made me wonder if they made a "special" limited edition or hes had extensive work done to it.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
casualjoe wrote:
My old Cagiva Freccia had 7 speed, no point in it though because the bike wouldnt get all the way to the rev ceiling of 6th gear to make any use of an upshift. Mabey the sprockets had been changed or the motor was just weak after countless rebores and carb problems. Confused


Freccia uses a plated bore, so no rebores unless someone as fitted a liner. The engine is the same as the early Mito.

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:35 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
He also claims:
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One of the best handling sports bikes of the past 20 years and one of the best looking Suzuki's.

With the 600cc frame and the 750cc motor, you get the best of the handling from a 600 and the power of a 1000cc

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For sheer power and performance, this really is the bike

I haven't ridden that specific model, but would be willing to bet it's put to shame in a big way by the modern bikes, both in handling and power.
Further, I'm not aware there was a 600 until the SRAD, so not sure where '600cc frame' comes from (the 400 did have a similar frame at one point though) - seems he generally doesn't know what he's talking about.
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
I want a well over-geared seventh gear on my KTM that won't rev-out for relaxed cruising and hopefully better fuel economy.


just buy another two sprockets and make a little de-railer system like on a push bike Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

There was a GSXR600 prior to the SRAD using the same style of frame as the GSXR750, but not imported to the UK.

Not that the bike in the listing is probably anything other than a pretty standard early water cooled GSXR750.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
buddy wrote:

just buy another two sprockets and make a little de-railer system like on a push bike Laughing

Oddly enough, having got some spare front sprockets, I had wondered about something like that.
I would like a really wide-ratio gear box (it's actually quite close ratio as it's from a road bike). Wondered about trying to make some 'quick change' system for the front sprocket, so that you could have the high ratio for the road, then swap to a lower one when you hit the dirt.
However, really I'd prefer it just to have a decently wide ratio gearbox so you can hop off the motorway and hit a gnarly trail without stopping Smile.
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the grim reaper
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
buddy wrote:

just buy another two sprockets and make a little de-railer system like on a push bike Laughing

Oddly enough, having got some spare front sprockets, I had wondered about something like that.
I would like a really wide-ratio gear box (it's actually quite close ratio as it's from a road bike). Wondered about trying to make some 'quick change' system for the front sprocket, so that you could have the high ratio for the road, then swap to a lower one when you hit the dirt.
However, really I'd prefer it just to have a decently wide ratio gearbox so you can hop off the motorway and hit a gnarly trail without stopping Smile.


This has been done but only by welding a different front and rear sprocket to the originals and the change required a rear spindle loosen and chain move. The front and rear sprocket alignment is very important, you couldn't just have a different rear.

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PostPosted: 11:21 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was actually trying to work out some way of the front sprocket 'moving' so the desired sprocket would be inline Smile - there's no room to have two different chain runs really.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kickstart wrote:
casualjoe wrote:
My old Cagiva Freccia had 7 speed, no point in it though because the bike wouldnt get all the way to the rev ceiling of 6th gear to make any use of an upshift. Mabey the sprockets had been changed or the motor was just weak after countless rebores and carb problems. Confused


Freccia uses a plated bore, so no rebores unless someone as fitted a liner. The engine is the same as the early Mito.

All the best

Keith


If only I knew that when the seller told me it had been bored out 6 times and was actually nearer to 175cc than 125, it came with 5 sheets of head gaskets, I did like the fuel tank storage compartment though Razz could your Freccia make use of 7th gear? or was it only included for racing purposes.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

A Freccia gasket set comes with loads of base gaskets so you can get the compression right when doing a rebuild.

Ours was the ex road test bike and went like the clappers. Would pull 7th gear and would indicate 105mph in top. Power band was from 9500 to 11000 (red line at 10k), with nothing outside that range.

When we blew the engine up we found all the porting marks on the barrel. With a new barrel it was nowhere near as fast Sad .

All the best

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PostPosted: 17:20 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
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was actually trying to work out some way of the front sprocket 'moving' so the desired sprocket would be inline Smile - there's no room to have two different chain runs really.


There was an american mail order bike ,maybe -Ward?? which had a movable rear sprocket slid out over the normal sprocket for low ratio, but only at standstill.

Wasn't there a bike meant for Australian sheep farmers with restraints to hold their front legs whilst the jolly swagman slipped around the back.............sorry with a high /low ratio box???? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 23 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi

Not a 2 second job but some older bikes had a sprocket on both sides of the rear wheel. You just lifted the back of the bike, too the wheel out and swapped inround and you were using the alternative size sprocket.

Vincents did this. Main idea was to make it easy to lower the gearing when running with a sidecar.

All the best

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