New motoring offence? = more money?

[Itchy]

I know there is the law called quitting ie it is illegal to leave your vehicle with the engine running but whats this?.



https://www.southportvisiter.co.uk/southport-news/southport-southport-news/2009/11/27/stationary-motorists-in-sefton-could-be-fined-for-leaving-engines-running-if-plans-are-approved-101022-25263545/


In that how long is too long in that there is a notorious traffic light here that changes every 6 minutes.

Monday mornings also have severe traffic jams meaning people are stuck in nose to tail traffic for hours and do not move....


Is it me or is the starting and switching off of engines constantly EVEN WORSE for emissions than keeping the engine on?.



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[G]

When I used to ride a push bike to work at a wood factory seven miles away or so, going through the small town where I worked with road works and thus a lot of idling cars would make me feel a bit woozy.
However, the law it's self is pretty ridiculous and not sensibly enforceable.

Fixing the problem causing cars to have to wait is a much better solution... or if you're worried about it yourself, get a bike .

[paulcdb]

so i just jump started my car and take it for a run to charge the battery up but a mile down the road i hit a railway crossing, or some a lorry blocking the road, so i have 2 choices...

1. Keep car running and charging my battery, which would cost me £20 (or whatever the penalty is)
2. Turn off engine and risk not being able to start again and thus holding up traffic.

Glad i don't live near there but guess it's only a matter of time everywhere else gets it once one town see pound signs.

Also...

[G]

you should be paying a VAT-registered authorised battery replacer to replace it for you at your home, not driving this dangerous vehicle on the road!

[Kickstart]

Hi

Just charge the council with several thousand counts of aiding an abetting .

Cars emissions are pretty negligable. Modern ones are not even a choice for commiting suicide.

All the best

Keith
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[kes]

all i can say you have to love living in sefton.

i can see this making traffic slower not just by old cars not starting.

but 93yr old dorris in her old micra, struggeling to start the car first time and slowing the traffic down even more...

god damn i need a bike.... filtering just doesn't work in a car
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[ricky_v]

Public finances are nearly a trillion pounds in the red, EU is costing us £7,000/minute in return for having "568ml" on a pint of milk.

Expect more of any, and i mean, ANY excuse to tax us even more
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[ricky_v]

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[ricky_v]

To trade with other EU countries does not mean we have to be in a political union, thats how Switzerland, Iceland, etc managed to trade, without slowly loosing their powers.

so we get 66% back, so thats approx. 40-50,000/min we loose so they can build motorways in Poland for example, and the main advantage for this cost seems that we can trade with the EU, to which Non EU counties have a similar agreement anyway.

Part of Monnets plan is to dissolve all power fron each member state, in return for "economic benefits", there more then happy to put up the prison of stars flag all over the place, and explain that it comes from the EU social fund, or that thank god were in the EU otherwise this area will still have high unemployment. But what they dont tell you is that if Britain was out of the EU, the money saved would beable to still pump in the same ammount of cash to regional developments, plus extra, without wasting money on regulations and directives that are half arsed, or useless, or costly, etc.

They love promising riches from the EU, only a couple of months ago when Ireland was voing on the Lisbon treaty (for the second time, because they just dont know the meaning of no, and wont let a little thing such as the masses voting get in the way of the European Project), the yes campain was promising jobs with the lisbon treaty. Now they must of meant jobs for the political elite because the very next day when Ireland voted yes, one of the companies who donated 400,000 Euros to the yes campain made over 1,000 workers redundant!

So im sorry, i dont believe that im getting value for money.
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[ricky_v]

Before the Icelandic banking crisis they had no desire to join the EU, not that they are broke, the government suddenly puts in an application to join this Union, Switzerland does make most of its money from banks, but Britain's main form of economy is the City of london, and unfortunatly thats going to be ruled by an EU financial super regulator, putting interests of the union before Britains.

appologies, im meant to say we still loose 44% of the net contributions, which would be about £25 bil/year, i.e 40,000/minute. statistics can be easily manipulated, and it wont suprise me if both sides did the manipulation to take their point accross.

the EU can have disadvantages to indistry, for example the one i work in, about half a dozen labs do the British standard fire testing for trains. once the New European equivalent comes in, this opens up my lab from about 4 or 5 competitors in the UK, to about 60 competitors in Europe. If the czech republic can do the testing cheaper, then im scratching my arse in the dole que!

Freedon of movement is absolutley fantastic if you want to move to Spain, but infortunatly makes any immigration policy in Britain as useful as a chocolate fire place.

I dont oppose the EU because of their obsessive rules and regulations, and that its costing us X ammount, its simply because not many people realise what they are doing, they are not transparant, they are corrupt, and they are willing to bypass democracy to move the European Project faster towards its goal, without the consent of 500 million people.

if they were completely open, had referendums on treaties, and generally listened to people, i wouldnt support it, but i would accept it.
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[daemonoid]

Surely the fact that Iceland want to join now they are broke tells you there is economic benefit to be had by joining? Have you noticed the SNP's policys? They want to leave the union (UK) and increase ties with Europe... wonder why one of Europe's biggest oil producers would want to do that? Maybe because it's financially sound?

As for the £25 bil. still no... the link I posted had the actual values further down:
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4721307.stm#contributes

It is definitely < £5 bil. after rebate as of 2005 (exact amounts are not available until 4 years later so 2005 is the latest final figure).

Perhaps your industry will be moved out, but as someone who's been in one that has been possible to offshore for years (software engineering) it doesn't seem to be happening to any great level. Maybe your industry will suffer, maybe it won't be as bad as you think... but on average I expect we benefit, although it is very difficult to measure so I can't say for definite.

Corruption and opacity are claims that you can throw at all political entities - our government especially! Just look at the stories about the Iraq war that are coming out at the moment (although I don't think they really surprise anyone)! I just feel closer to the views of the EU - data protection / human rights & reduced borders - than I do to the current government, and I don't think the other parties will be significantly different! Maybe Europe will... As for referendums on treaties - they do, you mentioned the Irish* one, the Dutch had them as did many others - it's our government not offering a choice, not the EU.

*Yes I know the EU/Irish government bludgeoned through the Lisbon treaty by renaming it, altering it slightly and trying again, but the Irish government was more to blame than the EU.
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[Skudd]

Going back to the OP, it is a typical knee jerk reaction to a basic problem. many motorists park up in car parks and the like and just leave their engines running while they read the paper, eat lunch, have a chat on the phone or what ever. Many lorries park up and leave their engines running too. taxis are the worst for it, you can see a massive gaggle of taxis all with engines running for hours. In the sefton area as in m ost areas, they are an issue.
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[Ingah]

And they pay for their laziness in petrol.

Which as we all know is so heavily taxed that leaving your engine running is a self-inflicted financial injury.

The way i look at it; if my battery is dead / dying, my starter motor has problems, someone else's crappy car refuses to start again and causes a big traffic jam, i/someone else is freezing/boiling their ass off and needs the engine running to keep themselves from extreme discomfort, and any one of the myriad of the other reasons it would be a bad idea to allow some busybody to force people to turn their engine off - this is overall a bad idea, and to be frank, none of the establishment's business to go meddling in, as they go out of their way to make our lives as miserable and regulated as possible, as it is.

I can't see it going through in the end anyway, the government likes its taxes too much.
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[damz]

[EUMP]

Mmm, to be fair when im stuck in traffic and can't get past I normally turn off the engine anyway, but when its cold out and I'm having doubts if it will come back on easily i'll leave it on.
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