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bEN_
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Fail to comply with a non endorsable traffic sign **UPDATE** Reply with quote

Got a penalty notice through the door today, not in a brown envelope either!

£45 fine ( no points ) for 'Vehicle fail to comply with a non endorsable traffic sign - detected by means other than ACD

not found anything new looking around google, i'm abit baffled.
it says this happened on the 6th october 2008 Shocked

to be paid by : sept 29 2009 ...

also at the top under my account number it says Born: 25th october 1958 Laughing which should be 1988 ....

the whole thing has confused me so i'm asking if anyone else has had anything similar or should i just bin the fucker as it's somewhat past the usual 6 month period.

any help appriciated
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does it say who its from?

Sounds like a scam to me fella
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scam.
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'person' it's from is someone called ;

G.B. Hooper

" Justices' Clerk "

it has 2 pieces of paper, the 2nd being 'ways to pay'
and it does say i can go 'over the counter' or go to court etc..

it's just my info is wrong, it happened so long ago and i never remember any fucking sign ( that if important, should be lit right? ) or camera flashing.

also don't they have to give you 14 days to pay?


fucking weird....
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the address to send payment to?
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nottinghamshire Magistrates' Courts have a Mr G B Hooper as Clerk, is that the right area?
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't actually see an address on the 2nd page, here's the first.

https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/ben125uk/fine.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

2nd.

https://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/ben125uk/2-1.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you own that bike in Oct 2008?
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's a car and yes i owned it then.

is there any way out of this with the errors and the date of the offence?
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 16:43 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like a local council has issued a CCJ against you. Have you received anything about this in the post?.
I would immediately write to the court if you don't stating that you know nothing about this and could they please inform you of who is making the claim against you. Also request to put a stop on the time to pay as you dispute the amount on the grounds that you have never been served with any previous papers on the matter.
I would also point out that the persons details as listed do NOT correspond with your own and therefore they may have served the papers on the wrong person which would explain why you know nothing about the matter.

Nottingham iirc is basically a clearing house for CCJ's, they rarely bother to check the paper work just rubber stamp it.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:04 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that, some interesting ones on there

Quote:
(F)_[a manually operated stop sign,]


how the fuck can you get fined by some gimp holding a metal pole with a sign on it? Laughing

i'll be phoning them tomorrow.

if i can't fight the actual offence, can i screw them for the date and error in my personal info ?
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since you presumably never received either details of the initial claim or a summons to attend the court, you need to apply to have the judgement "set aside" .
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 99.9% sure i didn't recieve anything

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PostPosted: 17:16 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use the Freeman's defence and tell them they can shove their statute extortion up their fucking arse. Criminal fucking scum that they are.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does one use the freeman's defense?
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yuri2085 wrote:
How does one use the freeman's defense?


Google it. It's basically you declaring yourself to be a free person and not the legal fiction that is subject to statute law.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah this old chesnut, the question is does it really fly?

Do people avoid jail with such defenses? I have not seen this although I have researched a tad on the subject.

Not disbelieving but also not believing if you catch my drift.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

yuri2085 wrote:
Ah this old chesnut, the question is does it really fly?

Do people avoid jail with such defenses? I have not seen this although I have researched a tad on the subject.

Not disbelieving but also not believing if you catch my drift.


I've read a few accounts of people in the USA and Ireland using it successfully, and their laws are based on the same concept of person as corporate entity being subjected to admiralty law.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not paying it, they've tried it with bus lane fines in the past and not once have i ever paid one, i was in a strange area on the first occasion and went in one for no more than 100 meters untill i realised and got out, copper pulled me and gave me the piece of paper which just sat in my glove box untill the 6 month period was done. i know it's minor but if they want it they can literally come and get it, fucking government im sick of it. Evil or Very Mad Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would definitely ring them up and ask what is a "non-endorsable traffic sign"

... and "detected by means other than an ACD"

wtf DOES all that mean?
fuckin gobbledegook

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PostPosted: 18:44 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I would definitely ring them up and ask what is a "non-endorsable traffic sign"

... and "detected by means other than an ACD"

wtf DOES all that mean?
fuckin gobbledegook

Confused


Ah, it's just the whoring fucking low-life parasite scum trying to extort yet more money out of the hard-pressed working man.
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 16 Sep 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you can all see,

there's fuckall of a good reason on there, without looking at google etc how the fuck would anyone know what that offence is ?

dates are screwed up

my date of birth is wrong

date of payment seems to soon

not had previous letters.

i'm tempted to record the fun phone call they are getting in the morning.
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