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PostPosted: 16:57 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Today's 'stuff' getting old. Reply with quote

Was thinking about some of today's 'stuff' like cars & gadgets, will they ever be seen as old fashioned or old looking? Around 50 years ago when they had those Cadillac cars with the pointy wings, people probably thought that you can't get any better. But now we look back & they're so old fashioned. But with today's cars/gadgets, i just can't see that happening.

I just can't imagine someone in 20 years time looking back at a Ferrari Enzo or a Veyron, thinking they look old fashioned. Even against the future cars we see in movies today, they hold up well. Same with our gadgets. We've got phones were we can watch movies & control everything with a finger, how more advanced can you get? Obviously there's still a huge amount that can be done but i can never see something like the iphone type phones becoming old fashioned like the Nokia 3310 which at the time, were amazing.

Same with gaming, i can't imagine our current next gen gaming being so old that it's almost like comparing an xbox with an Atari 2600.

I'm in the present so i'm obviously going to think all this, just like they probably thought back when they first had T.Vs, how could that of got any better?
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Think all those things will look old and dated in a short time.

Why have a bulky phone to have a screen if someone can package up a 3d projected display? That would make any current phone look bulky and old.

Cars will look old. Possibly because they are still styled while normal cars just become more and more like washing machines (ie, boring things that do a job and less and less people care what they look like).

As to games, I expect that a full immersive 3d game will make Call Of Duty look about as advanced as Pacman. In actual style not sure that much has really happened since Doom in 1993 (sure graphics have massively improved as computers have come to support it, but the basic style is much the same).

To an extent what surprises me is how little things have really changed in the last 15~20 years. The big jumps were then, the only extra we get now are refinements of old ideas.

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PostPosted: 17:09 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure the fact that all new bikes at the moment are so angular looking will mean that in the future we'll look back and think they belong to a specific era...and hence be dated. Idea
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Was thinking about some of today's 'stuff' like cars & gadgets, will they ever be seen as old fashioned or old looking? Around 50 years ago when they had those Cadillac cars with the pointy wings, people probably thought that you can't get any better. But now we look back & they're so old fashioned. But with today's cars/gadgets, i just can't see that happening.

I just can't imagine someone in 20 years time looking back at a Ferrari Enzo or a Veyron, thinking they look old fashioned. Even against the future cars we see in movies today, they hold up well. Same with our gadgets. We've got phones were we can watch movies & control everything with a finger, how more advanced can you get? Obviously there's still a huge amount that can be done but i can never see something like the iphone type phones becoming old fashioned like the Nokia 3310 which at the time, were amazing.

Same with gaming, i can't imagine our current next gen gaming being so old that it's almost like comparing an xbox with an Atari 2600.

I'm in the present so i'm obviously going to think all this, just like they probably thought back when they first had T.Vs, how could that of got any better?


I would love for you to come back and read what you've written in 20 or 30 years time. You would probably feel quite silly. Things improve all the time and the more time goes on , things are getting better exponentially.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Was thinking about some of today's 'stuff' like cars & gadgets, will they ever be seen as old fashioned or old looking? Around 50 years ago when they had those Cadillac cars with the pointy wings, people probably thought that you can't get any better. But now we look back & they're so old fashioned. But with today's cars/gadgets, i just can't see that happening.

I just can't imagine someone in 20 years time looking back at a Ferrari Enzo or a Veyron, thinking they look old fashioned. Even against the future cars we see in movies today, they hold up well. Same with our gadgets. We've got phones were we can watch movies & control everything with a finger, how more advanced can you get? Obviously there's still a huge amount that can be done but i can never see something like the iphone type phones becoming old fashioned like the Nokia 3310 which at the time, were amazing.

Same with gaming, i can't imagine our current next gen gaming being so old that it's almost like comparing an xbox with an Atari 2600.

I'm in the present so i'm obviously going to think all this, just like they probably thought back when they first had T.Vs, how could that of got any better?


I would love for you to come back and read what you've written in 20 or 30 years time. You would probably feel quite silly. Things improve all the time and the more time goes on , things are getting better exponentially.


Hence the last sentence. Wink

I know things will improve but by the car example i meant would people look back at the Enzo for example like we look back at a 1950's Cadillac, would it really look that old in the future? I used the supercars as an example as your everyday cars age very badly, just look at something like a VW Golf.

Today, we have a more realistic look on what the future will be & even with all the gadgets we see in movies, today's stuff doesn't seem to age /that/ badly.

Which is why i can't see some of today's gadgets being looked at like we look at 2ft mobile phone from the 90s. Even if they did have projected screens. Apart from the visual difference, would there be much in what you can do with a mobile phone?
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
Today, we have a more realistic look on what the future will be & even with all the gadgets we see in movies, today's stuff doesn't seem to age /that/ badly.


But gadgets in movies are designed to just look slightly futuristic so that they appear realistic (the flying cars of 50s sci fi look silly because they are not here yet despite looking so old fashioned). Rather than being a real idea of what things will look like X number of years from now.

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PostPosted: 17:37 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The internal-combustion engine is a piece of brute-force primitive junk. I don't think it can be much longer before we have solid-state anti-gravity drive, powered by zero-point energy.

iPods, mobile phones etc, they'll be an ear-insert which will interface directly with the brain, operated by thought. The current stuff will be laughed at.
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The internal-combustion engine is a piece of brute-force primitive junk. I don't think it can be much longer before we have solid-state anti-gravity drive, powered by zero-point energy.

iPods, mobile phones etc, they'll be an ear-insert which will interface directly with the brain, operated by thought. The current stuff will be laughed at.


lol "powered by zero-point energy", that's as ludicrous as saying "powered by absolute zero" or "powered by 14 miles". zero-point energy is the term used to describe the minimum energy contained within a closed system, it's not a process or item that can generate or contain energy, simply a measurement.

I assume you mean harnessing energy from closed system (be it a perpetual motion machine or whatever). In which case just no...
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts on this are complex, so stick with me on this one, I will get to the point in the end!

Personally I think we've reached the limit of what society will achieve. Science is going too far and needs to be put into check! I believe we know too much and it's ruining our happiness... What happens if the LHC proves god doesn't exist? what if machines make us redundant in the work place? we'll have nothing to believe in and nothing to do with our time... One word springs to mind... Anarchy!

I believe the only way is backwards. Look at the 40's and 50's... We still had the proper lower/working/middle/upper classes, everyone knew their place and was happy. Whole streets of people worked in the same factory/mine/mill man and boy. Nowadays everyone wants to be a "manager", they want to sit at the top of the ladder looking down... But a society of Alphas can never work! Society as we know it needs to be radically overhauled.

Consequently, in answer to the question... No, todays stuff will not look old fashioned as there will be no record of it! The leaders of the world will have destroyed all traces of "the old ways" to keep society from being so stupid as to try and advance itself to the point of destruction again.

Thats just my view anyways (and in no influenced by the fact I've just finished reading "Brave New World")

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PostPosted: 19:28 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually in 50 years we will look back and say how great the designs were, granted we'll probably all be senile, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and although your car will probably drive itself and your tv make you a cup of tea during the adverts the functions will be basically the same, the original conception will seem outdated most rapid technological advances have come in times of war so unless there's another world war or aliens land I'm afraid our wheelchairs will still have wheels but take solace cos the nursing homes will be full of people listening to heavy metal.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Re: Today's 'stuff' getting old. Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
Around 50 years ago when they had those Cadillac cars with the pointy wings, people probably thought that you can't get any better.

I just can't imagine someone in 20 years time looking back at a Ferrari Enzo or a Veyron, thinking they look old fashioned.?


Which is how you seem to looking our current vehicles/gadgets.

Just a thought. Smile
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I'd Love to see a "Minority Report" style computer come into effect.

Would be cool to control everything with 2 fingers and a thumb on each hand.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
The internal-combustion engine is a piece of brute-force primitive junk. I don't think it can be much longer before we have solid-state anti-gravity drive, powered by zero-point energy.

iPods, mobile phones etc, they'll be an ear-insert which will interface directly with the brain, operated by thought. The current stuff will be laughed at.


lol "powered by zero-point energy", that's as ludicrous as saying "powered by absolute zero" or "powered by 14 miles". zero-point energy is the term used to describe the minimum energy contained within a closed system, it's not a process or item that can generate or contain energy, simply a measurement.

I assume you mean harnessing energy from closed system (be it a perpetual motion machine or whatever). In which case just no...


Zero-point energy is that which is created from so-called dark matter (the empty void between the galaxies or something). Or whatever. Cold fusion will do just as well.

Drewie wrote:
My thoughts on this are complex, so stick with me on this one, I will get to the point in the end!

Personally I think we've reached the limit of what society will achieve. Science is going too far and needs to be put into check! I believe we know too much and it's ruining our happiness... What happens if the LHC proves god doesn't exist? what if machines make us redundant in the work place? we'll have nothing to believe in and nothing to do with our time... One word springs to mind... Anarchy!

I believe the only way is backwards. Look at the 40's and 50's... We still had the proper lower/working/middle/upper classes, everyone knew their place and was happy. Whole streets of people worked in the same factory/mine/mill man and boy. Nowadays everyone wants to be a "manager", they want to sit at the top of the ladder looking down... But a society of Alphas can never work! Society as we know it needs to be radically overhauled.

Consequently, in answer to the question... No, todays stuff will not look old fashioned as there will be no record of it! The leaders of the world will have destroyed all traces of "the old ways" to keep society from being so stupid as to try and advance itself to the point of destruction again.

Thats just my view anyways (and in no influenced by the fact I've just finished reading "Brave New World")

Drew


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PostPosted: 23:07 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
The internal-combustion engine is a piece of brute-force primitive junk. I don't think it can be much longer before we have solid-state anti-gravity drive, powered by zero-point energy.

iPods, mobile phones etc, they'll be an ear-insert which will interface directly with the brain, operated by thought. The current stuff will be laughed at.


The internal combustion engine, is a fairly simple concept, but its had decades of development, and loads of investment over the years to make it pretty sophisticated compared to the original efforts.

Making the first anti-gravity drive a workable concept let alone viable, and competitive with engines, is a long way off if ever.

I was talking to a guy today who thinks that in 5 years time, nano technology means everything will be made easily by replicating machines.

Even if there was a working concept today, it would take years to develop and refine the concept even if there was tonnes of investment.

The technologies in the future, will just be developments of what we have, made more cost effective. We already have flying car prototypes, and low volume production, but they are expensive and although they could take off, they havent in a marketing sense. Your average exec, doesnt want to show up in the latest flying car, he would prefer a helicopter, or high end luxury car.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemonoid wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
The internal-combustion engine is a piece of brute-force primitive junk. I don't think it can be much longer before we have solid-state anti-gravity drive, powered by zero-point energy.

iPods, mobile phones etc, they'll be an ear-insert which will interface directly with the brain, operated by thought. The current stuff will be laughed at.


lol "powered by zero-point energy", that's as ludicrous as saying "powered by absolute zero" or "powered by 14 miles". zero-point energy is the term used to describe the minimum energy contained within a closed system, it's not a process or item that can generate or contain energy, simply a measurement.

I assume you mean harnessing energy from closed system (be it a perpetual motion machine or whatever). In which case just no...



I thought he was quoting something from "the incredibles". Shifty
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ProvectusIncurro wrote:
I'd Love to see a "Minority Report" style computer come into effect.

Would be cool to control everything with 2 fingers and a thumb on each hand.


You can do that now in windows seven, as it supports multi point contact in that way.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 10 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Zero-point energy is that which is created from so-called dark matter (the empty void between the galaxies or something).


It really isn't... Dark matter is a simple term for the mass that we cannot identify / see. Zero-point energy as I said is the term for the minimum energy within a closed system - it's a term for a measurable amount, not a source of energy. I will concede the term zero-point energy could be confusing and may make more sense if you think of it as "zero-point of energy".

A lot of people who don't really understand the the laws of thermodynamics postulate that you could extract energy from a closed system, but they are wrong, perpetual motion machines are fundamentally impossible.

There are many scientific sounding terms that have been adopted by nut jobs over the ages, you seem to have been taken in by this one...

Cold fusion however - bang on there although it's a long way off. I'll settle for plain old fusion and some decent batteries within my lifetime.
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watch back to the future, you will laugh at how the 80's tech is so advanced to the 50's stuff. they made cam corders seem so advanced yet look at that now and it seems so outdated. same with cars, delorean was futuristic to them and now it looks so 80's.

there was a guy on dragons den iirc that had mobile phones that were so small they could be implanted into your ears, wasnt perfect so was rejected. but i can see something like that being introduced one day.

i can imagine electric vehicles taking over i.c.e when they perfect lightweight high/fast long lasting batteries.
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PostPosted: 05:00 - 11 Dec 2009    Post subject: Re: Today's 'stuff' getting old. Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
Was thinking about some of today's 'stuff' like cars & gadgets, will they ever be seen as old fashioned or old looking? Around 50 years ago when they had those Cadillac cars with the pointy wings, people probably thought that you can't get any better. But now we look back & they're so old fashioned. But with today's cars/gadgets, i just can't see that happening.

I just can't imagine someone in 20 years time looking back at a Ferrari Enzo or a Veyron, thinking they look old fashioned. Even against the future cars we see in movies today, they hold up well. Same with our gadgets. We've got phones were we can watch movies & control everything with a finger, how more advanced can you get? Obviously there's still a huge amount that can be done but i can never see something like the iphone type phones becoming old fashioned like the Nokia 3310 which at the time, were amazing.

Same with gaming, i can't imagine our current next gen gaming being so old that it's almost like comparing an xbox with an Atari 2600.

I'm in the present so i'm obviously going to think all this, just like they probably thought back when they first had T.Vs, how could that of got any better?


So basically, what you're saying is that you lack vision & won't be the inventor of "the next big thing"?

Welcome to the club Wink
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PostPosted: 07:17 - 11 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
ProvectusIncurro wrote:
I'd Love to see a "Minority Report" style computer come into effect.

Would be cool to control everything with 2 fingers and a thumb on each hand.


You can do that now in windows seven, as it supports multi point contact in that way.


The iPhone is basically minority report version 0.5

I'm about to start a new job at a school, and I was shocked by how much stuff they have. I went to the same school 15 years ago, and I thought it was technically advanced when I went there. Looking at it now, hell, we might as well have been in a cave!

While being shown round I noticed that all of the interactive white boards had sensors in the corners to allow the staff to do minority report style move stuff around-ness!

In the whole building I only found 1 blackboard! Most of the classrooms have pc's built into the desks, where the screen, keyboard and mice pop out for when people need them.

The school has it's own TV and Radio studios, Wi-Fi networks for staff and students. It's just gone tech mad!
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What happens if the LHC proves god doesn't exist?


I don't think we need the LHC to prove that God doesn't exist.

And all it will do is prove that the big bang is a possibility. Even then, I don't believe in it.
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Hetzer wrote:
If this reality is a video-game it doesn't really matter what happens to the world or the bodies on it. This lot getting trashed will be like a reboot. The NDE bods have all the info. Wink

Ya'know it's funny, when I first started reading Brave New World I couldn't help think that the Matrix was based on the same principles!

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What happens if the LHC proves god doesn't exist?


I don't think we need the LHC to prove that God doesn't exist.

And all it will do is prove that the big bang is a possibility. Even then, I don't believe in it.

Point is that we constantly seek the truth, whether it is beneficial or not... Eventually we will discover something that will shake our foundations to the core, which will cause the human race as we know it cease to exist. After which point civilisation similar to what is in books such as 1984 and Brave New World could come into effect, rendering us without any knowledge of the past and therefore unable to think that "todays" stuff looks old fashioned.
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You don't need a LHC to discover if God exists or not, it's simple, just ask him/her if he/she exists.

If you don't get an answer then it's obvious, he doesn't exist! If you do, go get some help your probably mental.
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PostPosted: 04:56 - 12 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

tribal_tiger wrote:

The iPhone is basically minority report version 0.5

I'm about to start a new job at a school, and I was shocked by how much stuff they have. I went to the same school 15 years ago, and I thought it was technically advanced when I went there. Looking at it now, hell, we might as well have been in a cave!

While being shown round I noticed that all of the interactive white boards had sensors in the corners to allow the staff to do minority report style move stuff around-ness!

In the whole building I only found 1 blackboard! Most of the classrooms have pc's built into the desks, where the screen, keyboard and mice pop out for when people need them.

The school has it's own TV and Radio studios, Wi-Fi networks for staff and students.


And yet kids still know nothing these days ... HARRUMPH!
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 12 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention that's probably why kids can't spell.

They seem to do everything on a computer these days, you spell it wrong then the computer corrects it for you so there really isn't any need for them to learn to spell.
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