Trouble sleeping

[Billing]

Hi all, I'm finding I'm having alot of trouble falling asleep until the early hours of the morning, such as now, it's 4.55am and I'm not even remotely tired :S

As a general rule I'm up at 8am to make the most of the day, but don't seem to be tired at night. This has been going on for the last month or so, with me getting no more than 5 - 5.5 hours of sleep per night.

I'm wondering whether it could be anxiety keeping me up, recently my dad got a new gf, and then promptly gave me 3 hours to get all of my stuff moved out of his house so her little girl could move in. Since then it's gone to shit for him and they've split up. Could this be the root of my problems, or is it something medical?

cheers in advance for any help/advice offered
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[Tonka]

Who knows, but my suggestion would be from my experience.

Things that worry me wake me up after about 2 hours asleep and then I can't get back to sleep. Sometimes waking up in the night is the first I realise that something is actually worrying me as I normally think I've dealt with it. Other than that I find that the clock change tends to throw my sleeping pattern out a bit too so you may find that it's a combination of things.

I guess all you can do is try and sort your worries out positively during the time you're awake and maybe try and do some of the routine pre-sleep things that are recommended - bath, limit alcoholic drinks and no caffeine drinks close to bedtime, cutting down on TV and PC use just before bedtime, read instead.....etc.

I'd also suggest that the more you worry about it the worse it will feel - sometimes these things happen, try and relax and it will pass. In the meantime eat sensibly, get some fresh air and exercise and look after yourself until you get back up to strength

PS. Obviously if you are still really concerned go to your GP but treat any sleeping tablets with the respect they deserve - personally I don't go there but others get on well with them, herbal (Nytol I believe) or prescription.
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[SlimRick]

Tesco's own brand Sleep-Aid. £1.49 a packet and you'll sleep like a baby.

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[cvntdude]

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[iooi]

No idea how old you are but many people manage nicely on that amount of sleep.

What do you do during the day, work, physical or mental, or just sit around.
Do you feel tired in the day. If you don't then you have no worries about not sleeping.
If you do then i would be looking at your whole day and see where you can get more exercise.

I would try to avoid at all costs taking any tablets to help you sleep.
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[lofty]

What time did you used to go to sleep when you weren't having trouble sleeping?

I always have trouble sleeping, had a lot of stress recently. I find music while I go to sleep helps, means your brain is less likely to be going overtime worrying about a million things.

Echo what iooi said, do you have a very active day? If not, maybe you just aren't quite tired enough, maybe try and do a bit more exercise during the day to physically tire yourself out?

I ended up taking tablets, not 'heavy' ones, I take herbal ones that are supposed to calm you down and make you less stressed, I find they do help a bit, but not if I take them all the time.

[Robby]

If you do start taking sleeping pills (zopiclone being the most commonly prescribed) then don't take them for more than 3 nights on the trot with several day's break in between. They are very addictive, if addictive is the correct word. You'll find it hard to sleep without them very quickly. They are also quite strong, generally you would be prescribed 7.5mg tablets and if you break them in half they should still work.

There are also herbal sleeping tablets, which may work, may not, or may have nasty effects. I tried them once on a long flight, they did nothing at all so I took the whole packet. Still no affect until about 12 hours later when they hit me like a freight train, at the local time of about noon.

Proper antihistamines may work for you, the drowsy type. I find they take about 20 minutes to knock me out, and then I sleep for exactly 6 hours. The problem is that after exactly 6 hours I wake up as if I never slept, and feel tired all day. Wake up quickly though, most unusal feeling.

So those are some pharmacological options. The problem for you is more likely psycological, although short term, and possibly mixed with some low level depression or anxiety. The two go hand in hand, and are nothing to be ashamed of, and will often accompany a large difficult change in your life, or an irritating situation that you have no control over. Only seek help from your GP if you want to, otherwise you'll probably just feel embarrassed. On the flip side, if you do seek help you find it was the best decision you ever made. I do.

Sleeping. You say you two to get up early to make the most of the day, which is good. You don't say what you do with your day, if you spend it all inside playing on the xbox and surfing BCF you won't get tired, or if you do it will be about 3-4pm and you'll push through it. If you work, get out for a stroll at lunchtime. If you don't work, get a hobby. Working on bikes and cars is the most theraputic thing I can do when stressed, bored, or thinking through a big issue. The only problem I find is that I look up at the clock and realise that it's 1am, I've been in the garage for 14 hours, I haven't take my drank, eaten, or taken my meds, and Bonny's bike is still a piece of shit that no one in his right mind would even attempt trying to fix.

There are assorted threads on BCF about getting to sleep and techniques you can use, including lucid dreaming, meditation, making a list of all the things you're thinking of so you won't be worried about forgetting something in the morning. I count sheep, my record is 104. Problem with counting sheep is that you'll probably end up with a massive erection. Lucid dreaming is the most fun method, so search for posts about it by Bonny or Hetzer.

This will seem an incredibly cuddly post coming from me, so I'll finish with a Robby sign off. Do not make endless posts on here either directly about it or mentioning it, like warped and emowolf. No one cares that much.

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[Tonka]

[Billing]

Cheers guys, loads of useful advice

The thing with my dad was he rang me up a couple weeks ago at 3pm, we had a chat about his new OH, he then told me he wanted all my stuff gone by 6 when she'd be home, so it all got boxed up, at 5.30 my sisters BF turns up with all my stuff saying dad needed it gone. I was really angry that he couldnt face me and do the deed himself.

I've been sleeping better some days than others recently, I work 3 days a week, but usually end up doing extra, when I'm not working I'm playing about with one bike or another, or trying to get into shape to pass my fitness test for the RAF.

I'm thinking of going to the GP, see if he can't get some things sorted out in my head, to quote The Kinks ''It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world''

Really appreciate all the advice guys, hopefully I'll be able to repay it in kind some day
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[TUG]

Have a wank.
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[Numptie]

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Obviously humour is spam? Atleast your username like mine matches the person.
Seriously BillingTZR, unable to sleep is a mental state in which your mind cannot cease its function into rest. Your over thinking your day and stopping your sleep, if your quite stressed then again, it won't help.

Having a wank like sex always gets the body into a hightend state of sense, afterwards you relax. Plus a good porno takes your mind off stuff. I don't know you that well but i'll give you one peice of advice:
'Don't take life so seriously, No one gets out in the end.'

EDIT: When my life went all tits up, i couldnt sleep so in the end used my painkillers (overdosed on them) to make me sleep then again the next day, Drugs are no good, you need to find.... inner peace lol seriously your dad couldnt tell it to your face like you've said so i think its time you give him his own medicine and don't speak to him for a while, see how he likes it. Do you work out? If your training for your fitness test push an extra 5 mins on the treadmill or exercise bike and sleep afterwards if you get me, your body will want to put itself into a restful state to start its repair process.
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[Numptie]

If wanking works for you, then well done - what do you want? A clap?

Life is too rich to be reduced to a simple solution of 'if it doesn't work, wank it off'. That might be your facile solution, however it is equally facile, to expect others to be 'humoured' by such facile solutions.

It's often said, that those who see humour in others dilemmas, are the ones who lack compassion: when the tables are turned....

Maybe you're right. Maybe we all take life too seriously. We should all be wanking off; taking opiates or anything else to simulate a high, rather than deal with life......

Or maybe not...

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[wizzzard]

[Numptie]

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[wizzzard]

No Lonewolf gets it just fine. The only person missing it is you.

If all the op had wanted was a professional opinion he wouldn't have asked on here. People post on here not just for advice but for support from their peers and that support comes in many forms. From a serious response all the way through to a jokey answer each post is relevant. and reinforces the fact that there are people who care.

If you saw his post as a childish laugh at someone elses expence I would suggest it is you lacking in empathy for you obviously can't see it's original intention.

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[Numptie]

[wizzzard]

That was very good Numptie I'm impressed with elequance of your retort . When you can't argue a point using logic and reason resort to a schoolyard insult insinuating homosexuality.
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