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Redoko
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Iced Keyhole Reply with quote

So with the weather and everything.

My keyhole on a few mornings now is freezing up.
So I get hot water and pour it down it. I have to do this several times a day including at college because it freezes in between lessons.

Even on the way home I couldn't take the key out because it froze. Laughing

Just wondering if the constant hot/cold switching can do any damage to the inside of my ignition or the actual key?

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PostPosted: 18:04 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm not sure adding water is the way to go. Ever heard of corrosion?

Try spraying WD40 of similar inside
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a cigarette lighter to warm (note warm, not cook!) the key up a bit before putting it in the barrel. the heat then transfers from the key to the barrel allowing the key to turn. Sometimes takes a couple of attempts, but has yet to fail me!

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PostPosted: 18:13 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

hot water drops temperature quicker than cold...may aid the freezing as it plummets!

WD40 is a good idea, also..weirdly i had a cover for my ignition made of leather..looked gay, but it like flapped up.
Maybe do something like that?
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

padwaxk88 wrote:
hot water drops temperature quicker than cold...may aid the freezing as it plummets!

WD40 is a good idea, also..weirdly i had a cover for my ignition made of leather..looked gay, but it like flapped up.
Maybe do something like that?


Good idea I'll look into it. Thumbs Up

If it's frozen up will WD40 still get the ice out? I know water would but ice...
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD40 is not the best way to keep a lock lubed, you need 3-in-1 really. But now you've buggered it with water, you'll have to displace the water with WD40 though, then get some 3-in-1 in there asap.

And for what it's worth, Mister Drewie is spot on, the best way is use a warmed key to transfer heat.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest danger I've found with de-icing with hot water is the damn stuff freezing up again. I've been stranded myself after merrily melting all the controls first thing on an icey morning, then five miles later I stop at a petrol station for a pie only to find the starter button frozen solid.

A bike cover might go some way towards reducing the freezing. Or even just try an old t-shirt or similar wadded up over the ignition then wrapped in a carrier bag to stop further moisture getting in.

Although you might have to wait until the existing water in your lock has dried out before this could work as a preventative measure.

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PostPosted: 18:59 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister Drewie wrote:
I use a cigarette lighter to warm (note warm, not cook!) the key up a bit before putting it in the barrel. the heat then transfers from the key to the barrel allowing the key to turn. Sometimes takes a couple of attempts, but has yet to fail me!

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this. ive also heard you can, erm, 'tinkle' on it if you need. but who could do that to a bike!? and probably not a great idea in public. + when it freezes again you have a worse problem than before. but sometimes needs must i supose
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
Hmm not sure adding water is the way to go. Ever heard of corrosion?


Ever heard of rain? Rolling Eyes

Bikes get wet, it's not going to fall apart.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds like a bad cycle. As mentioned you need it free from water and for it to stay that way. If you can find a hair drier or something similar once you get home set about attacking your ignition until you're sure there isn't any moisture left and apply the lube. Carrying around a lighter or matches isn't such a bad idea either.

Weirdly I've never had this problem before except I think my electric start button once but seeming as that pushes in, it wasn't that hard to force. My clutch and throttle however have completely frozen before - last winter as my cables were evidently no longer lubricated. If your controls start to feel sticky in sub zero temperatures I'd recommend seeing to it immediately so you don't run in to situations like I had with either throttle or clutch jammed open. Thankfully both didn't happen at the same time (well, discounting a few seconds here or there. Accelerating and braking at the same time isn't a good feeling in icy weather).
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vasaline ?...
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halford Lock De-icer £1.29
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My clutch did freeze up this morning. Was half way to college. Couldn't walk it back because it's basically a main road, in rush hour with the fog. Cars wouldn't see me pushing it home.

Eventually got it fixed but oh how grateful I was. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSR-AD wrote:
Vasaline ?...


He said Keyhole not a**ehole... You can buy yourself a bit of kit that heats up and you slide it into the ignition and voila...

https://www.gadgetsuk.com/Lock-de-icer-p-17052.html
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
c-m wrote:
Hmm not sure adding water is the way to go. Ever heard of corrosion?


Ever heard of rain? Rolling Eyes

Bikes get wet, it's not going to fall apart.


Yeah but he's talking about consistantly pouring hot water into his ignition key hole?

Mostly there would only be condensation there, not oceans of the stuff, and when the keys out its covered up, plus the fairing helps keep the rain out while on the move.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said, Vasaline, he wants something to prevent it not cure it when it keeps happening surely...

Coating the key and the locks innards should prevent them from sticking, doesn't Vasaline have a highish tolerance to freezing ?...And I'm sure it's water resisant...

Plus you can buy those little pocket tins of the stuff, to keep, well, in his pocket...

Just a thought...
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD40 it to death to get rid of the water, then slap some grease down there (or at least some oil) .... when greased/oiled, there will be no water in the works - no water, no ice!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
Yeah but he's talking about consistantly pouring hot water into his ignition key hole?

Mostly there would only be condensation there, not oceans of the stuff, and when the keys out its covered up, plus the fairing helps keep the rain out while on the move.


Think about it. He's not going to open the little flap that covers the ignition when the key is out and pour water inside the lock. He'll just be pouring hot water over the ignition and that would be no different to hosing the bike down.

And a fairing won't help keep the rain away from the lock when the bike isn't moving.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

just put a bit of blue tack over the key hole.. easy to remove and water wont get in..
just dont push into the hole or go inside.


????????????????

dry it out with hair dryer then lube greaes or what ever.

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PostPosted: 21:07 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive recently used acf50 and have yet to have my lock re freeze up.
I did blow the lock out with an air line once the ice had melted though.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blue tac? That's so good it should be blindingly obvious.

I will find a hair dryer (somewhere Rolling Eyes) in my house tomorrow and blow hot into it. See how it goes. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Used my bike for the first time in two weeks today, not only had the keyholes on the disclock and both chains seized, but the battery on the disclock had flattened too.

Got all of that sorted with WD40 and a hammer (apart from the batteries obviously) but then found the ignition had seized completely. After nearly breaking the key, I squirted it with WD40 then a load of chain lube and eventually it freed up.

I suspect I'm going to have to do it all again in the morning, ho hum...
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 04 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used ACF 50 on all the locks and controls although it probably would have been a better idea to use some sort of grease; copper grease would be ideal. Just don't smear it anywhere else, like your seat or clothes since it's a proper pain to get off.
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