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PostPosted: 22:17 - 06 Jan 2010    Post subject: What do we receive in return for paying our council tax? Reply with quote

I'm of the opinion that if all local councils and the ''services'' they supply were to be disbanded then most people would not notice. Not only do they fail to clear the roads of snow but they are now no longer willing to collect our refuse. Evil or Very Mad

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240992/Your-bin-dangerous-lid-quarter-inch-open-says-council-latest-bizarre-health-safety-ruling.html
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 06 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you got shares in the Daily Mail? Editor? or just a jobbing journalist?
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 06 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have you got shares in the Daily Mail? Editor? or just a jobbing journalist?


Bah.............. I've been rumbled. Sad

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PostPosted: 23:20 - 06 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty impressive that it's only happening now in Coventry as it's been like that for lots of the country for a couple of years.

Possible reasons for bins not being emptied... bin too full, bin not close enough to the edge of the road, bin too heavy, bin has got rubbish bags on the ground next to it. Then they won't take your recycling boxes if they think there's anything at all wrong.

You can get an industrial sized wheelie bin on contract that's emptied weekly or monthly for a lot less than the ~£1,200 council tax that gets your bin emptied every other week. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 06 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't a significant part of the council tax to pay for the police and the fire service? And then a significant part of what's left to pay for schools, community spending, roads, etc. £1200 a year isn't just for bins.

Even then, who gives a fuck if they don't collect it for one week?

Apart from the Daily Mail and cnuts with nothing better to complain about. Stop throwing so much shit away, you shouldn't need a weekly collection anyway.
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 07 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

skluff wrote:
Isn't a significant part of the council tax to pay for the police and the fire service?.


Erm no about 60% of the council taxes you pay go to the unfunded pension schemes they set up for themselves.
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PostPosted: 03:11 - 07 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you get itemised bill?

I mean if they want to charge you money, then surely you have a right for an explicit bill showing what you have paid for. Not a general "here is our budget" affair but a proper receipt for your money.

I believe this is used by people who don't like paying the council tax as an argument against. I must say that I quite like it, while I think it is fair to pay for the benefit of the public services, an actual breakdown of what you are paying should be mandatory.

I doubt you would be happy to give me money in return XYZ services and the bill merely stated "stuff".
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 07 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bittern wrote:
Can you get itemised bill?.


My council sends you a break down at the start of the year, out of thr £1100 ish, I remember about 85 goes to the GMP and 100 something goes towards fire.

I don't believe the paper one they send you is broken down anymore.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 07 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

And there's more. Evil or Very Mad

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1241392/Binman-forced-council-picking-rubbish.html
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 07 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what you get for paying it, but I do know what you get if you don't. Today I got a court summons for not paying my council tax. For some reason they are letting me go to court and argue to say why I shouldn't pay it. Like they are giving me an option not too.
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PostPosted: 22:02 - 07 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carl_steveo wrote:
I don't know what you get for paying it, but I do know what you get if you don't. Today I got a court summons for not paying my council tax. For some reason they are letting me go to court and argue to say why I shouldn't pay it. Like they are giving me an option not too.


I hope that you like porridge.
I can't be bothered to check but IIRC then the only sentence that the magistrates can impose for non-payment of council tax is imprisonment.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 07 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mehhh!! Porridge is fine.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 08 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
skluff wrote:
Isn't a significant part of the council tax to pay for the police and the fire service?.


Erm no about 60% of the council taxes you pay go to the unfunded pension schemes they set up for themselves.


Bollocks.

I'm far from an expert in accounts, but a quick look at Islington Councils figures and their gross expenditure is £233m , of which my council tax makes up £81m or roughly 33% of their net expenditure is paid for directly by council taxes.
The council spends £29m on 'central support, corporate costs and provisions' which I assume includes pensions, that's approx 10% of their expenditure. So roughly 3% of my council tax.

The greater London Authority's gross expenditure is £12.b of which my council tax makes up £915m or roughly 7%. They spend £31m on The London Pensions Fund Authority for Islington, or roughly 0.25% of total expenditure.

I can't work out what the total is, but it's nothing like 60% of my taxes going in their pensions.





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All from https://www.islington.gov.uk/downloadabledocuments/councilanddemocracy/pdf/guide_to_council_tax_2009.pdf#nameddest=financial
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 10 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you get itemised bill?

I mean if they want to charge you money, then surely you have a right for an explicit bill showing what you have paid for. Not a general "here is our budget" affair but a proper receipt for your money.

I believe this is used by people who don't like paying the council tax as an argument against. I must say that I quite like it, while I think it is fair to pay for the benefit of the public services, an actual breakdown of what you are paying should be mandatory.

I doubt you would be happy to give me money in return XYZ services and the bill merely stated "stuff".


You can't get an itemised bill, to be honest, you are lucky to even get a receipt, thats what bugs me the most given the massive amount of money.

From experience, I have found that if you don't have a receipt then there isn't a lot to stop that company/person from claiming they haven't had the money from you, and coming after it.

Councils are generally the worst for losing stuff. After all, the money you send is just virtual; numbers on a computer screen, easily disappeared.

In my opinion, you get very little to nothing for that money, its just another tax that gets poured into a big pot and wasted.

Would take the rubbish to the tip myself as it would be loads less hassle than juggling different types of wastes and trying to make it fit in the bins.

No point of course because they would still want paying.
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