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salty21
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: new chains Reply with quote

just a quicky. Fitted my new chain and sprocket kit today and noticed when i tensioned it up that it's already on the 4th notch on the tensioner marker and the axle is sitting roughly half way in its slidy groove thing.

What i want to know is, can i cut a link out so the axle is further forward then run the chain till the tensioner's max out or is that asking too much from the chain?.

Was just thinking that manufacturers put the extra link in so you max out on the tensioners faster and therefore have to buy another chain sooner than you need to Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see a problem with this. I was under the impression that when a perfectly good chain starts to stretch with general usage this is what is done anyway because the chain might be anywhere near the end of its life.

How many miles has the chain done anyway?
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ms51ves3: why does it need 500 miles? Are you teaching it how to be a piston?
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexio wrote:
How many miles has the chain done anyway?


salty21 wrote:
Fitted my new chain...


It pays to read Wink

Removing a link will be fine Thumbs Up
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Alexio
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol!! Laughing

Wow, I'm getting tired again. I'm going to stop posting for a while, it's all turning in to rubbish.

Yeah, remove a link it'll be fine.
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G: With my GSXR I do often effectively use it as a scooter with a clutch in town.
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salty21
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

then its still ok to run till the end of the tensioners?

need a soft link now lol, dammit
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Why do you want to remove a link? Short of reducing the wheelbase by 10mm or so I can't see what you will gain.

All the best

Keith
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salty21
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Why do you want to remove a link? Short of reducing the wheelbase by 10mm or so I can't see what you will gain.

All the best

Keith


as it stands now, the brand new chain is already on the 4th notch out of 6 on the tensioner grooves so im gonna run out of adjustment quicker than i would if i removed a link and, by removin a link i should be on the first or second notch on the tensioner, thus giving me 4 or 5 notches worth of adjustment and making use of the chain for longer.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Take a link out (520 or 530 chain, so 5/8" pitch, so taking out a pair of links will shorten the chain by 10/8", ~32mm) and you might well not be able to fit the chain back on.

To be honest I suspect you will kill the chain from a tight spot before it actually wears enough to use up all the available chain adjustment.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 25 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loosen the wheel and push it forward to the start of the adjustment.
Then lift the chain slack up and back around the rear sprocket by the amount you intend to shorten it by, leaving the slack at the 3o'clock position.
If you can get the chain to move up two teeth then go ahead and remove a link, if you cant then dont as the chain will be too short.

I recently changed from a 16 to a 17 drive sprocket and lost 1/3 of my rear chain adjustment, these apparently insignificant changes can make quite a difference !
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salty21
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

alternatively i was thinking of fitting a +1 or +2 rear as another option, i've alredy bought another soft link so i can still use that after taking the chain off for a proper clean. i've done about 50 miles so far on this kit, is that too far to fit a new sprocket without reducing chain life?
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 26 Jan 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I wouldn't worry too much about the amount of chain adjustment (you are meant to check it on how much a section has stretched). +2 rear sprocket might be too large to fit with the stock chain (on my 1200 I can just about get away with going +1 or -1, but only just).

The wear on the sprocket and chain at 50 miles should be pretty much nill.

All the best

Keith
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