Your and adult and mummy still wont let you drink

[Student]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6983707/Cost-of-cheap-alcohol-will-double-to-curb-binge-drinking.html

Yes I'm aware this is likely to be a re-post.. But I did do a quick search and it was 4 years ago

But I'm interested to see some views on it, I'm very on the fence since in general I'm a "social drinker" as in, I go into town with a couple mates with 15 quid and have ma 6 beers, and I do this once a week sort of thing. The problems comes when I do want to get "wasted" and I spend more towards £50 on a night out.

So things are gonna go from £15 social to £20, and god knows on the nights out.
I don't think it's actually going to stop people going out, I think people will just feel the pinch a little bit more the morning after, and hell if people can't afford it, chances are people are gonna go to other extremes for a good time

So views?!

BTW Ignored pubs/clubs views, cause I really don't know how things are gonna go for them, other then badly
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[Ste]

"Your and adult and mummy still wont let you drink"

Have you been drinking?

[Student]

[LeeR]

The problem with cheap alcohol is that it tastes shit and leaves you feeling shitty, which is why I avoid it.

I don't think it'll affect me as I don't buy cheap alcohol, I prefer a decent malt whiskey and bottle conditioned ales so I never buy too much and rarely over do it.
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[Student]

Well yeah, I go to Asda and buy several bottles of Ale for the week and enjoy them with my meal. I only buy cheap stuff if I really don't care about the night and want an excuse to leave early
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[Charlie]

I haven't read the article, but can guess what it is about.

I buy cheap alcohol to binge drink with and expensive alcohol to enjoy. If cheap alcohol goes up in price then I'd guess people will binge drink less often but when they do go for it.

Saw this (the top article) the other day, quite an interesting idea.
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[smegballs]

Does anyone think that this will actually stop people getting fucked up?

As if the war on drugs wasn't a big enough failure to make it quite clear that getting involved and trying to stop people getting wasted never works.

If people wanna get fucked up they will proceed to do so. Expensive or cheap, legal or illegal; if people want to do it they will....

Trying to price people out of it won't work as no doubt there will be dodgy booze along on the scene just like the duty free tobacco.

[Student]

this (the top article) the other day, quite an interesting idea.[/quote]

I actually like that, people who actually buy those sort of drinks buy them to enjoy them, they've got that taste that you either like or don't, and if you do like a pint of real ale, generally you don't neck it to prove a point to your rowdy mates
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[Alexio]

This is bad news. Bad news because at the moment there are beverage companies competing with each other on price and on taste and quality etc. If you start setting minimum prices much of this competition goes away and the consumer loses out, not to mention gets shafted with the price.

Sometimes I'll spend about £6 on alcohol for an entire week, not to get drunk but to enjoy a drink here or there and I'm perfectly happy. Why should I now have to pay double that just because of the idiots who need to be discouraged from killing themselves?

I'd really love to know where the profits go as well. Does this mean that the drinks companies get the extra that is charged or is the government imposing a higher tax? Again it will affect the free market as there are many ways drinks sales will decline for certain demographics and some people lose interest in drinking altogether when it becomes too expensive (and there's no point in only going a quarter of the way).

Furthermore, if clubs want to sell drinks for a price below what they are worth because they get other money from admissions or tickets for live music (or what ever other business venture they are going at) they should be free to do so. Why should the government strangle other businesses? Why are personal freedoms attempted to be restricted? The average person I reckon could be sooo drunk (and near death) on just £10 - £15 worth of cheap alcohol and yet they choose to go out and spend £50. If they're already willing to blatantly spend so much more than they have to, why does the government think that trying more of the same thing will have different results? Isn't that the definition of insanity, repeating the same process and expecting different results each time?

Having been to Norway, a country where only the government is legally allowed to sell alcohol and hence is incredibly expensive, it still doesn't stop the people that want to drink too much from drinking too much, it just robs them at the same time. There are certainly less social problems but then it's a tiny nation compared to ours and those that want to self destruct will always self destruct.
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[Charlie]

[Student]

[SoND]

It affects the poor, not the alcoholics.
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[GhostRider]

They don't give a shit whether people carry on binge drinking, that's not what it is about, it's just a front to hike up prices so that they can strangle the last few pennies out of people.

They raise the price of alcohol so that people might avoid that midweek drink with their mates since it dents the wallet a bit more than they are comfortable with. That person might then choose to get a few tins in so they can have a relaxed beer on their own time as it works ou cheaper. The government doesn't lime that one bit, how dare you enjoy yourself AND have a few more coins in Your back pocket, so they figure they'll soon out a stop to that.

Nothing concerning increased prices for anything is ever to do with bettering any element of society, it's solely because some politician ls pockets are feeling a bit thinner and they feel a 4th house is about due.

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[Imonster]

As said above, the "War on drugs" hasn't worked.

Massive rises in the cost of cigarettes haven't worked. I know very few people who smoke tobacco bought in this country now, due to excessive taxation (personal use guideline of 3 kg of the stuff is enough to keep most smokers fairly happy for a while, and makes the cost of the ferry ticket worthwhile)

If alcohol prices rise sharply, I and many others I suspect will simply nip over to France to stock up. Wine is cheaper and better for the money you pay there, though beer is about the same money as it is here currently.

Maybe easier for me to do so as we go to see the inlaws every couple of months in Rouen, and only live 15 miles from Newhaven, but if they decide to do this, it'll ultimately only lead to a reduction in revenue collected for alcohol in this country IMO...
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[m0l0t0v]

Just to clarify, it won't really affect pubs/clubs. Cause it's already more expensive, generally (there are a few places!).

It's to stop the £5 for a bottle of 40% 70cl vodka at the supermarkets.

It's only pre-drinking. :laugh:

When I go out with my friends I buy a few bottles of whatever and mix up some drinks and shots. I'm nuts about shots and al the different layers and combinations you can make.

I made a deadly Mexican Kamikaze (as I call it), half Tequila, half Sake. That way, we split costs on pre-drinking and reduce our spending on the club/pubs whatever.

So I don't think it will make much of a difference really.
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[Alexio]

[m0l0t0v]

I hate them. I hate the paint stripper smell and taste. Cheapest I get is smirnoff. Good enough to be put in the freezer and not freeze and tastes so much better. If I can get away with it, Russian standard. Good enough to drink on it's own out of the freezer.

Amaretto, Bacardi (the original Mojito rum).

Aww man. I want to mix some drinks now
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**\Tarmacsurfer/** said: It's that immaculately manly coiffure of yours isn't it. One glimpse of your virile locks and the punters can't wait to buy whatever it is you suggest, as it might let them be just a little bit like the Adonis that is our very own Molly Doovydoo said: Its not my fault I can't get it up properly, I just wasn't blessed

[Flip]

It's all very clever. The government get to keep the police and medical establishments in their good books because they're pretending that they're tackling binge drinking and all they're really doing is putting the alcohol tax up with is good for their pockets.

Fair play to them.

[Clanger]

The problem with a lot of alcoholic incidents is, that it is seen as the 'norm' in this country to drink. If you look around the poorer areas, you will see grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters and parents drinking and using drugs, as a way to escape their mundane existence, it's no wonder that their kids are going to follow suit.

I have worked in poorer communities, and I found that by giving the community activities to get involved with, alcohol played a lesser part in their lives. Although at the end of the day, there was always the cry of 'right let's go down the pub now...' It seems instilled in life here.

I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, for this issue tbh, I think it's so ingrained it'll be here for years and years to come.
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