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Digitalize
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 14 Mar 2010    Post subject: Squeeking Rear Brake Reply with quote

whenever i use my rear brake, it always squeeks, as a result i barely use it now. It never used to squeek before the winter, so i assumed it was just the cold, but its warming back up now, and still doing it. The bike has been serviced, so its not a worn pad.

Any ideas?
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Noxious89123
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 14 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's probably just covered in crud.

Take the pad pins and pads out and give them a good clean up, and pump out the brake piston and give that a clean up too. Bit of silicon grease on the piston, push it back into the caliper, bit of copper grease on the back of the brake pad and on the pad pins, and put the whole lot back together, then see if it still squeaks.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 15 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What type of brake is it?
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 15 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry forgot to mention it's a disc brake, dunno if that affects your advice. Gonna be completely stripping down and cleaning my bike during Easter, so I'll have a look at it then.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 15 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Noxious89123 advice should cover it. Meant to be the cause of squealing is the pad vibrating on the piston, which is why copper grease on the back of the pad can stop it.

What bike is it?

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PostPosted: 16:31 - 15 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copper grease is a wonderful invention Smile especially for squeaky callipers
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 15 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a Rieju Nkd 50, but basically an RS2 50.

As i said, i need to strip it down to clean all the winter muck out of it, and treat some of the rust, so i'll take a look then, fairly easy to do i guess?
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 15 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curtmeister wrote:
Copper grease is a wonderful invention Smile especially for squeaky callipers


indeed.

take the caliper off (or at least unbolt it) and give it a damn good spray with brake cleaner and clean it up, get out all the grime.

put everything back together and using some multipurpose grease (lithium or copper grease) put some on the rattle stop (dunno its real name - the metal thing that acts like a spring on the pad) and put some on the BACK of the pad Wink then bolt it all back together.

squeak should be gone now.

had exactly the same on the track bike when i last changed the pads.. the above did the trick nicely
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 15 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brake cleaner and a stiff toothbrush FTW. I also found in my own experience that lithium grease seems to lubricate better than copper grease. Maybe it's just the brand I'm using (3-in-1 aerosol), so I put lithium on the sliders and copper on the back of the pad. Just be careful not to get any grease on the braking surface. Thumbs Up

BTW, the 'rattle stop' is called a shim, if it's what I think you're talking about (metal plate that sits behind the pad)? Or do you mean the brake springs that hold the pads in the calliper? You may or may not have shims and as far as I'm aware they are not essential but apparently help stop squealing too.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 15 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please don't use lithium grease on anything near your brakes! Shocked
Wikipedia wrote:
Lithium-based grease has a dropping point at 190 °C to 220 °C (350 °F to 400 °F). However the maximum usable temperature for lithium-based grease is 120 °C.

My point being it has a "low" dropping (melting) point, and melted grease near brake components is not a good thing. Silicone grease is good for smearing round the brake pistons, as it has a much higher dropping point and it safe on rubber seals.

Copper grease isn't a lubricant grease, it's an anti-seize grease, and has a stupidly high dropping point.

I use a 1/2" paintbrush for cleaning my brake pistons.
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PostPosted: 06:01 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that interesting info. What's more interesting is the Yam service manual itself recommends lithium grease on the slider! Shocked Would have thought any there would be far enough away from the pad not to cause a problem? I have also used it on the cam of the rear drum brake as it started to stick again shortly after using copper grease there. I didn't put any on the shoes or pivots inside the drum though, just on the shaft of the cam where it goes through the plate. The end that forces the shoes is copper greased. Hasn't caused problems for me so far.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to know.

Maybe I'm just being a drama llama, but I'd still rather stick to silicone or copper grease.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 16 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red grease or just flat F***in grease will do on the sliders, seriously...
Copper grease belongs on the back of pads, you dont put anything on the pistons unless installing them or new seals again using red rubber grease.
I find alot of bike owners seem to make things far more complex for themselves than needed.
But that will never change and i've quite happy to fix their errors.
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 17 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find the silicone grease around the exposed bits of the pistons stops them corroding, and also makes cleaning really easy, as a quick spray of brake cleaner and all the muck just falls away stuck to the grease. Smile
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