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PostPosted: 18:49 - 16 Feb 2010    Post subject: Its right to torture? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:56 - 16 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's inhumane. Those who condone it have no conscious. We're supposed to be leading the world by example, not by spiraling back into the dark ages.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 16 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No doubt many journalists have written many thousands of words on the subject, but I can't see why it's an issue. Torture is inhumane and its results are highly questionable. No 'civilised' society should practise it.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 16 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read the vanity fair article and it sounds like a bad experience. Then I watched the youtube video and it doesn't seem that bad. But the only way you would ever know that I suppose would be to actually be waterboarded. In those conditions I think I would be inclined to actually give it a go.

Whether or not torture is bad.....well I know I wouldn't like to be tortured but in some cases I assume it helps. But I'm deffinently against a so called civilised government using it.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 16 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read a few things about this before. Well what is a few minutes of pain compared to saving a city from a bombing etc etc.... Then it got into that it is worth the risk of occasionally torturing an innocent who got mistaken ID or whatever for the "gains" that could be made.

My personal stance is that torture is NEVER justified. It is a fundamental wrong, without exceptions.

Also the intel received is probably sketchy at best, take a man off the street and put him (or his family) through enough pain and I'm sure before long he will be confessing that he is Bin Laden in disguise and he was personally responsible for 9/11.

With all the surveillance gear that the modern powers have, with their UAV's and all sorts of digital recording devices etc etc it is a pretty poor show if they have to resort to torturing people.

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Another way to look at is the numbers game. What does it have to be worth to torture someone? If 0 is a bomb going off in a field and 10 is a full thermonuclear attack on London where is torture justifiable? Would it be OK to torture someone to save a small town with 20,000 people? If the limit is 20,000, would the next town with 18,500 people have to wait and get blown up before the as their town is below the risk level to make torture justified?

All these unanswerable questions are more ammo to condemn torture.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 24 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you know the guy has info and won't spill the beans then torture is the tool to use... Twisted Evil Razz
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 24 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
If you know the guy has info and won't spill the beans then torture is the tool to use... Twisted Evil Razz


Oooooooh. The usual bunch of liberal-losers on the site won't thank you for that comment.
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PostPosted: 19:54 - 25 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
If you know the guy has info and won't spill the beans then torture is the tool to use... Twisted Evil Razz


How sure is sure? Will you ever "know" that he has the info?

If he is a tough cookie is it allowed to torture his family members who are totally innocent?

There is just no place for it. If some scary Israeli interrogator says that torture is pointless, then I'm pretty sure its pointless.

To get accurate info out of someone you need them to willingly surrender it, therefore the mind games that interrogator guy plays are what is needed.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 26 Feb 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad cop worse cop... Smile
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