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PostPosted: 17:48 - 15 Nov 2008    Post subject: The Hornet Project Reply with quote
Well... I guess I can officially start this. As I've just bought an engine for it. Only done 10k miles roughly and it's from a 2002 bike.

For 125 quid. Mr. Green

Picking it up sometime next week. Not sure when, or how. Well I sort of know how (in a friends van hopefully) but need to see if he can do it or not in the days that I can do it.

I have lots of other things I need to get, well I only /need/ to get downpipes, throttle body, grips, footpegs, and handlebars. But I will be changing everything.

I've always preferred the look of naked bikes (especially the Hornet, not that I'm biased or anything) but I prefer the ride as such on a sportbikes( NC30). So I will be removing the handlebars on the Hornet and will be having clip ons. Going to have the front forks recondition and rebuilt by someone and get a new rear shock (with hopefully) adjustable ride height. Going to have everything set up for my weight.

Will be getting new rear sets, changing the tail unit from the stock one to the newer shape Hornet, so '03 and newer. Might get the Hornet 900 tail unit if I do decide to get twin pipes. Having the cans stubbied as I want it loud and will be removing any baffles I can find. I'd love to have a full system but from what I've found only Arrow do it and it's expensive so I'll probably jut stick to polishing stock downpipes Laughing

If I was artistic at all I would draw and show you all how I'd want it to look. But I intend to make the bike better at riding than looking good Wink

Unfortunately this will probably take awhile. Most things are cheap and can be done quickly but it's finding them time to do it all.

Can't wait! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 15 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Can't wait to get started mate. it's gonna be a load of laughs!

And if you can't go with (i'm guessing richard) then i'm more than happy to go as i have the week off work Mr. Green

Gimme a shout playa playa Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 15 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've heard (in various threads on the net) that to use the newer shape hornet tail piece you also need the side plastics and tank! Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd also LOVE to do that to my hornet... but I'm not prepared to buy the whole set of bodywork (minus the mudguard).

I'd love to know a mate with an 03- hornet so that I could have a play with the tail and see if it would work. I'm sure I could mod one to fit, I'm usually quite good with that kind of stuff.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 15 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Get your downpipes sent off to a firm that will give them a nice chrome plating.
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PostPosted: 04:01 - 16 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
alun111 wrote:
I've heard (in various threads on the net) that to use the newer shape hornet tail piece you also need the side plastics and tank! Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'd also LOVE to do that to my hornet... but I'm not prepared to buy the whole set of bodywork (minus the mudguard).

I'd love to know a mate with an 03- hornet so that I could have a play with the tail and see if it would work. I'm sure I could mod one to fit, I'm usually quite good with that kind of stuff.


I can't see why... but it wouldn't bother me as I'd be getting a new tank anyways (don't like dented stuff Razz and an extra litre of fuel doesn't hurt Laughing ) and the 98-02 side panels are a bi shit. So will be getting new ones. Will need a new rear hugger and I've seen one that is quite nice but I'd have to see if it would go with the rest of the things. Oh and I'd get everything resprayed to the original Honda Blue Smile

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Get your downpipes sent off to a firm that will give them a nice chrome plating.


Can't use the old ones as they are buggered. Have to get new ones (or just second hand ones). Although I have seen some brand new stainless steel Delkevic ones for 200 quid (only 80 quid more than used mild steel ones that would take ages to get a good finish on and then get chromed...)

Will also be getting a new radiator and hoses (Samco). Braided brake lines, wavy discs for the tart factor. Need to think about new calipers as Id' like better stopping power... Anyone know what can either fit straight on or bodged slightly?

Going to take the wheels off sometime and have them powder coated again. Not sure if I'll go for the same style, powdercoated blue in the middle and have the edges in mirror like metal Thinking I'll think of other ideas but that would probably be the best one Thinking

Keeping the 16" front as I liked it. Razz I'm pretty sure Corsa III's are more than good enough anyways Laughing

Definately getting rid of the hideous grab rail. Sick

I want to have some things in gold... have it subtle though. Gold and blue go together well and it works for Subaru Imprezas... Not too sure what I'd have in gold though? Thinking
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 16 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Brake calipers Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 16 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gold wheels and calipers? Gold titanium nitrate coated USD forks? Razz

Also, Delkevic pipes are overpriced. You can get bog-standard stainless pipes on ebay cheaper than the delkevic ones!
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 16 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Since the Hornet has a detuned CBR engine, couldn't you buy some CBR downpipes might be easier to find than Hornet ones.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 16 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hornets cans are under the seat though, so the end that the linkpipe and can slide onto is at a completely different angle.
Hornet;
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CBR;
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On another note, does anyone know how they detune the hornet motor? I'm pretty sure the CBR has bigger carbs.

Oh and another thing. If the pipes your buying are a cheapo-copy of the original pipes, make sure they are the riht shape. The CBR pipes in the pic i posted would be useless. The oem pipes are bent so there's a big gap between 2 and 3, so that you can change the oil filter! Some also don't have the crossover pipes for 1 & 2 and 3 & 4. More midrange ftw and all that...
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PostPosted: 06:52 - 17 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Noxious89123 wrote:

On another note, does anyone know how they detune the hornet motor? I'm pretty sure the CBR has bigger carbs.


Different head(to take the smaller carbs and has a fresh air bleed into the exhaust port for emissions), different carbs(34mm from 36mm), and a bigger output shaft to clear the 180 section rear. That's it. The CBR600F had a 160 section rear as standard, hence the need for the bigger output shaft.

@ Molly didn't know you'd bought it, good work, that's a decent price for a complete engine. Thumbs Up
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Don't get Delkevic pipes, SoND had a set and they were shite, get motad if you're not going OE.

New oil, plugs and I bet it'll start right up.

@ Alun yeah, it's just sidepanels and tank needed for the tail change, the frame is exactly the same.
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PostPosted: 07:05 - 17 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Avoid delvic downpipes - too many people here have complained of poor fitting - i've seen a few examples on CBR's and they guys were somewhat disappointed at their craftmanship - Motad seem to be better built on the other hand and for the 10 quid difference between the two, get the better one - if not, trawl on other forums to get stainless steel systems - i got my swona full system with titanium end can for £140
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 17 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
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@ Alun yeah, it's just sidepanels and tank needed for the tail change, the frame is exactly the same.


Can an 03 onwards tail be bodged on to (i.e trimming here and there, drilling etc) a 2000 model hornet?
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 17 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Big_Ham wrote:
Noxious89123 wrote:

On another note, does anyone know how they detune the hornet motor? I'm pretty sure the CBR has bigger carbs.


Different head(to take the smaller carbs and has a fresh air bleed into the exhaust port for emissions), different carbs(34mm from 36mm), and a bigger output shaft to clear the 180 section rear. That's it. The CBR600F had a 160 section rear as standard, hence the need for the bigger output shaft.


O rly?

The CBR600F uses the same wheels as the older 'blades, and use a 180/55 as standard.
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 17 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Think he means the steelie CBR f, where the Hornet engine is from.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 17 Nov 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
OK, avoiding Delkevic Laughing

Much love people, will give a bigger look around when I can and will update more in a couple of days Wink
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Noxious89123 wrote:


O rly?

The CBR600F uses the same wheels as the older 'blades, and use a 180/55 as standard.


As Steve-D states, I was referring to the CBR600F steelie. Wink

Also they aren't blade wheels on the alloy framed bikes as the blade had a 16 inch front until the year 2000 whereas the CBR got the 180 section rear in 1999, if anything the blade is using CBR wheels.
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alun111 wrote:
Big_Ham wrote:


@ Alun yeah, it's just sidepanels and tank needed for the tail change, the frame is exactly the same.


Can an 03 onwards tail be bodged on to (i.e trimming here and there, drilling etc) a 2000 model hornet?


Yep, as far as I know it doesn't even need any drilling, since the frame is the same it doesn't do.

You may need an 03-06 undertay, though, I'm not sure if they are different shapes, and the rear lights are also different.
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Big_Ham wrote:
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O rly?

The CBR600F uses the same wheels as the older 'blades, and use a 180/55 as standard.


As Steve-D states, I was referring to the CBR600F steelie. Wink

Also they aren't blade wheels on the alloy framed bikes as the blade had a 16 inch front until the year 2000 whereas the CBR got the 180 section rear in 1999, if anything the blade is using CBR wheels.


Ah fairy snuff then. And about the blade wheels... How very strange... I cant remember where i read it, but it definitely said the 600f had the same wheels as the blade...
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Ok, screw even buying new SS pipes. Laughing

I feel like a jammy cunt now Mr. Green

Got the engine, 125 quid. Thanks to my not noticing skills it didn't have the starter motor, or even gearbox Shocked But starter motor I can get of my old engine and I'll have to see what the gears are like in my engine. Doh!

But he asked me if I need any other Hornet parts... went into his shed and saw loads of other bikes that he was fixing up and stuff. Hornet downpipes (in very very good condition I might add)

Asked him how much he wanted for it and after I talked to him about not realising about the starter motor or gearbox he just said "well... 20 quid? Been trying to sell it for ages"

Sold Mr dude! Mr. Green

Oh and I got a full set of brake discs for 25 quid. I can either sell them at a later point or just change over my old ones, or keep for spares when I need them.

170 gone, but an engine, downpipes and brake discs are mine now.

Will give the downpipes a good clean and everything and then get them sent of to get chromed as instigator suggested. Thumbs Up
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m0l0t0v wrote:

Oh and I got a full set of brake discs for 25 quid.


16 inch front or 17 inch wheel front disks?

If they are 17" wheel they won't fit a 16" wheel and I need a set for the race bike. Wink
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Big_Ham wrote:
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Oh and I got a full set of brake discs for 25 quid.


16 inch front or 17 inch wheel front disks?

If they are 17" wheel they won't fit a 16" wheel and I need a set for the race bike. Wink


Most possibly the 17" front Razz

But from what I read they are the same discs as the 16"... with only the centre bt being gold...

But you're welcome to offer something Wink
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Most possibly the 17" front Razz

But from what I read they are the same discs as the 16"... with only the centre bt being gold...

But you're welcome to offer something Wink


They aren't the same, the holes don't line up by about 1/2mm I had a 16 inch set with my trackbike, I sold them on ebay back in May.

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Furry muff. Razz

Will send back a pm soonish.

Been working on the bike past couple of hours. Removed everything, apart from the carbs. Can't get them off the engine Neutral I know we can just take the carbs off the engine after we've taken the engine off the frame but there's one bloody cable we can't take off. It's one of the throttle cables and can't get it of the ball joint. Absolute fucker Evil or Very Mad

Oh and about the engine having no gearbox... well it does Doh! My friend said it didn't... but it does Laughing

So just a question of changing the engine over and the starter motor, oil, (possibly) plugs downpipes, and hear it roar Twisted Evil
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OK, we stopped ages ago. Got the engine off Smile. Still can't get the fucking carbs off though Confused And we saw that a couple of the inlet rubbers are a bit fooked so will have to get new ones. Need to get new hoses here and there anyways. Not that expensive either. Took the starter motor of the old engine and put it on the new one. Engine is ready to be fitted on the frame, just have to wait for the carbs.

Anyone got any ideas on how to get the carbs off? Nothing is holding them on apart from the inlet rubbers but they won't fucking give! Evil or Very Mad

Bike feels so light without the engine, really odd. I wonder what it'd be like with a 900cc lump in it Thinking Very Happy

Anyways, I'll let pictures do the talking now. Me and Ben (brier88) took a triumphant photo when we got the engine out (cause we are utter noobs... so yeah)

Downpipes are off, started taking other things off.
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0000.jpg
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0001.jpg

The little fucker that ruined everything Sad
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0002.jpg

New and old (left and right respectively)
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https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0004.jpg

My new lump Smile
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https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0007.jpg

Ham's new discs Wink
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0006.jpg

Randomly decided to put Phil's 250 on the photo whoreage
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0008.jpg

Doing... err something?
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0009.jpg
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0010.jpg

Getting ready to take the lump out Razz
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0011.jpg
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0012.jpg

Victory! (Don't ask me why Ben is posing like that... he';s a bit gay)
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0013.jpg
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0014.jpg

Engineless Hornet (without the lump)
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0015.jpg

Taking a wee ride
https://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c282/M0LOT0V/Fixing%20up%20the%20Hornet/FixinguptheHornet_0016.jpg

Hopefully doing some more work on Saturday if jdloyalroyal and Ben come round. Should be good Thumbs Up
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Had problems getting the carbs off the engine I bought.

If you're buying new rubbers anyway you can cut the existing rubbers, but apart from that all you can do is loosen all the clips and wiggle them off.

I suppose heating the rubbers may work, although I've never tried it.
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