Looking for a new offroader

[tatters]

Looks like l,m going to have to sell the CRM in bits as its not worth re-building it so am now on the look out for a new offroader, got around £2500 to spend so any recommendations for a 250-400cc bike.
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Past:NRG50,AF1125(x2),NSR125RR,ZZR250,CX500,VFR400,KR1S,ZZR600(x2),CB400N,YZF1000(x2),KH125,Z200,FX400R,CBR954RR(x2)GPZ500S,GT550,VFR750F(x2),RD350N,XR650R,CBR600F,CB250,KDX250,YZF750R,CRM250,400EXC,KLR650,TTR600RE,DR350S,R100GSPD,RGV250,VMAX1200,DL650,KZ750 Present:G650XC,C12,CRF450X,1190ADV

[mad4it028]

i got a 95 xr600r for sale
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currently riding kawasaki z1000 only bike ive ever loved

[silky666]

WR will be your weapon of choice sir!
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Got to be a Gasser 250 or 300, or another CRM.

[tatters]

been looking at gas gas 300,s ebay what sort of money should l be paying for a 2006-2008 models
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Past:NRG50,AF1125(x2),NSR125RR,ZZR250,CX500,VFR400,KR1S,ZZR600(x2),CB400N,YZF1000(x2),KH125,Z200,FX400R,CBR954RR(x2)GPZ500S,GT550,VFR750F(x2),RD350N,XR650R,CBR600F,CB250,KDX250,YZF750R,CRM250,400EXC,KLR650,TTR600RE,DR350S,R100GSPD,RGV250,VMAX1200,DL650,KZ750 Present:G650XC,C12,CRF450X,1190ADV

[silky666]

[Blue_SV650S]

Do you want a stroker or a 4t?
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I paid £1800 for my 2006 250 - I don't think the 300's go for much different.

It's all down to condition really - I can put you in touch with Mark who me and Mike both got ours from - he seems to swap every now and then as he uses them for racing.

[G]

For pure fun off-roading, I'd definitely go for a smoker. I like my 200 for it's revvy nature, but it can get a bit much if you're tired (ie a few hours into an enduro, at a motocross track etc.)
I like KTMs, mostly because I've got them - if I had that sort of money I'd definitely be considering looking at 300EXC with electric start.
Though if you're considering it, do look into the specifics of the electric start - I seem to remember there was some questions over them when they first came out.

My 200 is damn easy to start, but it'd still be kinda nice to have a 'magic button' when you've just dumped the bike half way up a steep rocky slope.

If going for a more reliable four stroke, I'd definitely like to try living with a TE610, as I've gone on about enough times before - should be able to just about get a FI (2006+ in the UK) model for that. For greenlanes I've found my similar KTM fine and done a Hare and Hounds on it - should be another one or two on it this year too.

[Blue_SV650S]

A word of warning about KTMs - well the ones of my era anyway (2000) - the build quality isn't a touch on Jap bikes. Parts seem to be ludicrously expensive (jap parts are fairly expensive, but KTM seem silly).

G can tell you if the build quality is better these days, but if has remained the same, then I am not impressed with build quality personally ...
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[G]

What exact issues have you had with the build quality? The engines are often a bit higher strung, and some of the components a bit thinner, but they offer relatively better performance. Not much easily available jap competition for the 2 stroke enduro bikes anyway.

I've been happy with my 2004 200 and generally with my 2008 690 - there's lots of nice touches on the KTM, like most of the bolts on my 690 being both hex-head and torx head at the same time.
But then I never had any major build quality problems with my 87 KTM 350 2 stroke either.

[delvey91]

Whats exactly wrong with the crm that makes it not worth rebuilding?

If you do break it, shotgun the speedo drive and cable
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2006 KTM 200 EXC

[boundy]

[mad4it028]

having broken a crm250 i can tell you they dont breaK WELL at all problem being is alot of cr parts fit and cr parts are very cheap £1600 in parts im sorry to say but not a hope sorry i think youll strugle to hit the £500 mark
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[Blue_SV650S]

[G]

For me I'd say the fasteners on those I've had I've always found to be easily better quality than your average japanese bike - as I say it's one of the points of note on my 2008 model.
Didn't have any problem on my 2002 Hussy (made by KTM).

[delvey91]

[boundy]

[boundy]

[Blue_SV650S]

[G]

Not had a problem with panel fit - my 200 isn't great, but that's because most of them are broken some how from various impacts! Never been bothered with 'panel fit' as generally they've covered in mud - however not had a problem with air-box fit.
Got a feeling not all EXC airboxes are amazingly sealed - but that's more because it's an enduro not adventure bike. Not had my 200 in really deep water, but my old 350 did fine submerged for some time in it

Does yours definitely have the original panels? Also, wonder if someone's rebuilt it with dodgy bolts at some point as your experience is about the opposite of mine.

[Blue_SV650S]

[boundy]

[G]

Yea, probably are - what's on the 200, but never had a problem on that, or on the CCM404 which uses similar.

[tatters]

Thanks for the info, l,m after another 2 stroke just to use for green laning this year got my eye on a 2007 Gas Gas 300 on ebay if l dont get it theres a 2006 KTM300 near me too.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230441262531&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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Past:NRG50,AF1125(x2),NSR125RR,ZZR250,CX500,VFR400,KR1S,ZZR600(x2),CB400N,YZF1000(x2),KH125,Z200,FX400R,CBR954RR(x2)GPZ500S,GT550,VFR750F(x2),RD350N,XR650R,CBR600F,CB250,KDX250,YZF750R,CRM250,400EXC,KLR650,TTR600RE,DR350S,R100GSPD,RGV250,VMAX1200,DL650,KZ750 Present:G650XC,C12,CRF450X,1190ADV