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Been suffering with anxiety/panic attacks for the past 5 years and just wondering if anyone else here does.
My anxiety started due to over indulgence in ecstasy tabs, alcohol, and weed. Apparently the pills I dropped were laced with heroin and I had a very horrible experience and freaked out. Ended up having a huge panic attack (first ever one) that lasted 6-7hours before finally passing out, awoke in an ambulance on the way to the hospital. Docs took my blood and told me the oxygen content of my blood was stupidly high due to the panic breathing. Also found about 7-8 different types of drugs in my system. I honestly thought I was dying.
That was 4years ago and now I am constantly in a state of anxiety. Been to CBT and that helped loads but still fall into a rut every so often. I'm in a rut at the moment with a huge knot in my stomach/chest and just a feeling of being a little mental.
If any of you do suffer, or have suffered with this pain in the ass disorder I was wondering if you had any tips etc? Or just to hear your story would be good.
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I'm sure there's people on here who will want to disagree with what i'm about to say and give their opinions on how these drugs are good for peoples minds and arent harmful at all ..but what i can tell you from experience is that once youve been damaged by these kinds of drugs you never truly get back to being normal and ,in some way, you will always be a mess.
The damage has been done now, its too late for normality to be regained, so the best you can do now is to learn to deal with the after effects and accept that you've fucked yourself up.
Good luck , you'll need it.
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I used to have it quite badly when i was a bit younger.
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Yeah, but whats your definition or 'sane', or 'normal'?
Yeah, we wont go there again.
Time heals everything unless you're a complete pussy.
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| Bubbs wrote: | | Devils Advocate wrote: | I'm sure there's people on here who will want to disagree with what i'm about to say and give their opinions on how these drugs are good for peoples minds and arent harmful at all  ..but what i can tell you from experience is that once youve been damaged by these kinds of drugs you never truly get back to being normal and ,in some way, you will always be a mess.
The damage has been done now, its too late for normality to be regained, so the best you can do now is to learn to deal with the after effects and accept that you've fucked yourself up.
Good luck , you'll need it.
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Ha ha,
The Prophet of Doom has spoken!!
I'm going to opt not to believe this information as I refuse to believe that I will be fucked up for the rest of my life.
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Deny the truth then, most people do.
i'm 20 years post drug abuse and know what im talking about, but you'll see for yourself as you age.Once you change your perception of normal situations through drug use, normal situations will never be normal again, ever.
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I once went to an outdoor rave thing and it was all a bit last minute. I scored some E from some gentleman who actually told me the were laced with brown but i took 2 off him anyway and off i went. (twat)
I wasn't well at all afterwards, id bitten the whole inside of my mouth, the come down lasted a week but i was ok shortly after. Since then, no pills. That was about 6 years ago.
Must admit, never had a panic attack, although anxiety has got the better of me on the odd occasion. I think my defense has been how Hetz described it, i dont let it in, so to speak.
I know it's bullshit and im better than that so i train my brain to cope and tell it to fuck off.
My best advice, which often is ignored, is to not seek any 'pro' help straight away (not saying you have). Do this alone, obviously use common sense when i say this...if you're staying in doors because of it and thinking really horrible thoughts about yourself and others then yeah maybe get talking to someone.
One thing can lead to another during 'professional' help though, you can become 'used' to just being as you say you are 'anxious'.
I really believe a nice change of scenery is best, get out on a few days out, anywhere of interested really...maybe take something up you've always wanted to...i took up Lomography recently (old skool russian camera stuff).
Your mind is your friend, learn from your mistakes, make up and move on....it will help you out. I've found myself suddenly out of a little bout of anxiety about things in my life and i've hardly noticed im out of it. Everyone, drugs or not will at some stage in their life suffer from stress/anxiety so it's up to you if you believe Devils advocate if you want to describe it as 'messed up'.
Opinions are like ass holes, everybodys gotta have one.
He may view it as messed up, but ive never had any regrets to the things drugs have opened my mind to...no one can take that away from me and im not ashamed ive taken things to the limit. I do it on my bike, i do it with drugs, either way its my character and how i want to walk my path.  ____________________ Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
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| Quote: | Deny the truth then, most people do.
i'm 20 years post drug abuse and know what im talking about, but you'll see for yourself as you age.Once you change your perception of normal situations through drug use, normal situations will never be normal again, ever.
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Do you think maybe you have given up on trying to find a way to fix any issues you have? Maybe you have just decided to live with it, and therefore in your personal experience you feel it's something that will never be overcome?
It's been about 1yr 6months since I went to therapy and i'm 80% better than I was. Became agrophobic, had serious social anxiety, and very very dark thoughts. I'm now working and relitively happy with things.
Over the past say 6 years I have gone from feeling like absolute shit to feeling good most of the time, but with moments of pain every so often.
Drugs are brilliant...and at the same time absolutely horrible. Makes me think, if I didn't go through the whole pills/coke/speed period of my life, I wouldn't be where I am now. I don't think i'd change anything if I had the choice. ____________________ Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. |
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| Bubbs wrote: | | Quote: | Deny the truth then, most people do.
i'm 20 years post drug abuse and know what im talking about, but you'll see for yourself as you age.Once you change your perception of normal situations through drug use, normal situations will never be normal again, ever.
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Do you think maybe you have given up on trying to find a way to fix any issues you have? Maybe you have just decided to live with it, and therefore in your personal experience you feel it's something that will never be overcome?
It's been about 1yr 6months since I went to therapy and i'm 80% better than I was. Became agrophobic, had serious social anxiety, and very very dark thoughts. I'm now working and relitively happy with things.
Over the past say 6 years I have gone from feeling like absolute shit to feeling good most of the time, but with moments of pain every so often.
Drugs are brilliant...and at the same time absolutely horrible. Makes me think, if I didn't go through the whole pills/coke/speed period of my life, I wouldn't be where I am now. I don't think i'd change anything if I had the choice. |
It would be pointless for me to tell you what i know mate, the whole drug-thing is something you will have to learn for yourself.If you say youve got 80% better thats great, just 20% to go now then.
One thing i will say though is, is yes i have given up trying to fix certain problems that drugs caused me, because i know when i'm beat.
Trying to get your mind to think like it used to before it had certain experiences, is about as futile as trying to turn back time.
Its not meant to come across as doom and gloom, but the truth often appears that way in the cold light of day and its a bitter pill to swallow.
You either accept it, or you turn away from it and find a way to alter it to salvage something more personally acceptable. 
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Do you think maybe you have given up on trying to find a way to fix any issues you have? Maybe you have just decided to live with it, and therefore in your personal experience you feel it's something that will never be overcome?
It's been about 1yr 6months since I went to therapy and i'm 80% better than I was. Became agrophobic, had serious social anxiety, and very very dark thoughts. I'm now working and relitively happy with things.
Over the past say 6 years I have gone from feeling like absolute shit to feeling good most of the time, but with moments of pain every so often.
Drugs are brilliant...and at the same time absolutely horrible. Makes me think, if I didn't go through the whole pills/coke/speed period of my life, I wouldn't be where I am now. I don't think i'd change anything if I had the choice. |
It would be pointless for me to tell you what i know mate, the whole drug-thing is something you will have to learn for yourself.If you say youve got 80% better thats great, just 20% to go now then.
One thing i will say though is, is yes i have given up trying to fix certain problems that drugs caused me, because i know when i'm beat.
Trying to get your mind to think like it used to before it had certain experiences, is about as futile as trying to turn back time.
Its not meant to come across as doom and gloom, but the truth often appears that way in the cold light of day and its a bitter pill to swallow.
You either accept it, or you turn away from it and find a way to alter it to salvage something more personally acceptable. [/quote]
Yeah see what your saying.
I don't think i'm trying to get back to how I was before the experience. Just want the anxiety to bugger off and i'd be happier.
Just need to learn to be able to accept things I guess. As Hetz says with accepting the whole death thing. It's so much easier said than done though.
So do you still suffer with anxiety symptoms then Devils Advocate?
And Hetz, How do you get to a point where you don't worry about death. You say it easily enough, and I see your point but changing the way my head works is a tough job. Any reading materials you could direct me to? ____________________ Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. |
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Different things work for different people. I would probably never had got medicated if I hadn't seen how different things could be on drugs.
That said, now I am medicated I don't take drugs. My meds blocking the effects of coke, ket, and probably acid and amplifiying (to a damaging level) the effects of speed and MDMA makes it very easy to abstain.
I'd say go see a psychiatrist, but make sure you see a good one - this generally means private at around £100+ per session. Your local NHS trust may have access to decent psychiatrists, but they tend to refer all mental health stuff through their quick response teams and such, which are geared up for dealing with people who are seriously schizophrenic, psychotic, bipolar or depressed.
Anxiety is easily dealt with thorugh meds, if meds are the best way to treat you - in many cases counselling makes you worse, particularly if you've found your own ways to be vaguely normal over many years. You don't want to change them, which is why you see a decent shrink who will know what to do, not a junior psychiatric nurse with a box of tissues and a chair near the door.
Off the tops of my head anxiety often goes hand in hand with low grade depression and can be treated with a wide range of drugs. SSRIs (citalopram, fluoxetine, sertraline), SNRIs (I think mirtazapine), MAOIs (generally not used if avoidable) and probably lamotrigine (no one knows why it works, it's an anticonvulsant, but seems to be a bit of a psych wonder drug at the moment).
A good shrink will cost the earth and be worth every penny. Worth getting decent health insurance before diagnosing, if it isn't on your medical record yet. |
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| Bubbs wrote: | Been suffering with anxiety/panic attacks for the past 5 years and just wondering if anyone else here does.
My anxiety started due to over indulgence in ecstasy tabs, alcohol, and weed. Apparently the pills I dropped were laced with heroin and I had a very horrible experience and freaked out. Ended up having a huge panic attack (first ever one) that lasted 6-7hours before finally passing out, awoke in an ambulance on the way to the hospital. Docs took my blood and told me the oxygen content of my blood was stupidly high due to the panic breathing. Also found about 7-8 different types of drugs in my system. I honestly thought I was dying.
That was 4years ago and now I am constantly in a state of anxiety. Been to CBT and that helped loads but still fall into a rut every so often. I'm in a rut at the moment with a huge knot in my stomach/chest and just a feeling of being a little mental.
If any of you do suffer, or have suffered with this pain in the ass disorder I was wondering if you had any tips etc? Or just to hear your story would be good.
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I suffered from an anxiety disorder from the age of about 10. I just started getting severe panic attacks when I went to places. I was in and out of therapy from then on, I'd suffer from the problem one year, then the next. I'd have a break from it all for about 6 months then it would come back.
When I was 15 I became clinically depressed and got put on anti depressants which I'm currently still on now. I really didn't want to be put on meds but I didn't have much choice with my parents and stuff. I went to college met some cool people but started smoking weed heavily. I'd get a panic attack induced from smoking rareley, but I'd just count that as a whitey and shrug it off.
Recently shit hit the fan when I lost my job, didn't do as well at college etc. I was ona reduced dosage of anti depressants and I started getting panic attacks everytime I smoked. My friends weren't really supportive at all, and mostly just ripped on me for it.
Few months ago, I lost my job, my social life, almost lost my girlfriend, and screwed up with applying to college whilst suffering from anxiety and a serious spout of depression. I wanted to die I coudln't take it all at one point.
When I was seriously low I felt like I was losing control and actually going insanse. I'd get severe heart burn from the stress, and on one occasion my body would keep trying to vomit . I also got these tight knots in my back. Luckily it was only the heart burn I got a few times.
Still, the physical pain never matched the feeling of hopelessness and emotional pain. I thought I had hit rock bottom before, how wrong was I.
Now I'm starting to see the friends I actually value, got shit strong again with my gf, got accepted into college, and now I'm back looking for a job. I'm done with weed, it became my lifestyle for too long, and it's just not worth risking my health again.
I'd reccomend trying self-hypnosis Bubbs, it can really do wonders. I got taught it and it helped calm me a lot. You can be induced by a qualified hypnotist or download an audio track etc. You can feel the effects right away. You don't have to have an audio track to do it, you can iduce it yourself but I'd recommend using a track, because it's difficult to understand what your trying to do by your own means. So yeah, a hyponotherpaist session is best, but if not a track will still work.
After a while you can get into a really deep state of relaxtion. Your breathing becomes almost unapparent, you might find your body twitches and when you wake up you feel like your somewhat sedated and protected. Fucking weird stuff, but good trust me.
Other then that just hang in there mate, try to build a sustainable, relaxing lifestyle and It will pass. Meds helped me, and they didn't turn me into a mindless numb robot like I thought they would. I'm just simply more at ease with myself i guess. I dunno I can't say they've done me any harm.
Panic attacks are always horrible and frightnening, but I should think I've had a good 50 odd now over the course of my life, and take my word for it they pass and you will never suffer from serious physical side effects.
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So do you still suffer with anxiety symptoms then Devils Advocate?
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Amongst other things, yes mate i do, but not to the point of being unable to breath properly and having full on panic attacks.The things i suffer from are more subtle, but in their own ways equally as bad.
All the issues i have are purely psychological, not physical, and to be brutally honest i would probably label myself a borderline sociopath due to drugs and i have schizophrenic tendancies too.
When i say sociopath i dont mean in a mass-murderer-nutter sort of way though, but more in a sense that i always feel cut off from general society, i dis-associate myself from just about everyone, and i avoid normal everyday activities as much as i can.
From a distance you would probably think i was one of the most confident self assured people on the planet,and in some ways i am, but if you approached me in the street and tried to engage in a friendly conversation with me, you would soon see my issues rising to the surface and think 'WTF is going on with that guy?'
drugs, i hate them!
I had some amazing experiences when i was off my face all the time but if i could go back, i wouldnt do it again.
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Max Weirdo !! ..
It's only oneself that defines who we are by what we think, but in reality no ones a fly on your brain wall, and the less thinking the better, and the more doing ... others define you by what you do, not what you think ...
You can't change the past, yet we try as the past shapes most of our lifes, when we do manage to shake of the past or at least find a place for it to sit and bubble at most, then we have more time and motivation to do the things that really define us, instead of going round in circles of repetitive renumeration making unnecessary conclusions and doing very little ...
Hetz .. wtf is this afterlife you speak of ...  ____________________ Flip Wrote: You're a bloke, you don't need kids. You need a vehicle, someone to shag, a dog and a shed. AKA Cuntdudes life and ambition ... A ++
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I have been on inderala for years, went through really unhealthy relationship with a girl years ago and kept pushing my personal boundries on what I would accept even though I was being abused mentally.
She drank a lot and was a headfuck basically and I kept trying to help her, when she was sweet she was brilliant when she wasn't she was a cnut. I kept putting myself out there until it made me physically ill.
Only came to a head when I thought I was having a heart attack in work and was rushed to hospital when my muscles stopped working and my face started to spasm SCARY!
once we were finished I spoke with a pro who talked me through it all and helped a lot.
I was offered antidepressants but turned them down and instead took beta blockers for the panic / anxiety they help a lot so much so I stopped taking them.
Started up again when work was stressful as it can be and went back on them.
I get them when I am tired or hungover in busy public places, they make everything seem 2D and lifeless, cant think or function I have walked out of a restaurant on my girlfriend and a mate it was that bad. I had missed the tablets for a few days as I had been fine.
I am not saying that's the answer but to be honest they help me everyday and its only one in the morning.
It is hard to talk yourself down sometimes so I sympathise with you but you need to stay calm and breath normally if your out and about try retying your shoes laces a couple of times, sounds weird but you can get your head straight and carry on.
Its tough mate but I would say you should speak with your GP and try beta blockers and speak to someone they really do help the physical aspect.
Only you know your own attacks and thoughts but a pro can help you make sense of them and let you take a step back.
Good luck and you can Pm me if you want more info on my own experience  ____________________ VFR FI 2000- Shiney Red Thing
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No, I don't think I would. I've survived enough periods in hell to know what and how much I can take, and it's all still in my head. Crushed and locked in a box. Mind over matter.
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I understand where you're coming from with the mind over matter stuff but when its psychological issues, mind over mind, its a different kettle of fish.Even more so when the issues are caused by taking a drug or external stimuli, as opposed to a normal personality weakness and 'thing' you dont like doing.
We can all force ourselves to overcome things and to a certain extent we can even retrain our brains, but with some things, its just not possible.
Like you, most of my issues are in a box these days and i leave them well alone, but you cant deny that despite your best efforts to ignore them, they will resurface quite regular and have an impact on the things you do, think, and say.
The question is, do you actually know that they still affect your decisions and views, or do you actually believe that you've got total control over them all and each time one pops out you can just say " oi you, back in your fucking box.I'm not listening to you anymore"  |
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After my bike accident, I suddenly started suffering panic attacks... the first one I had was one day after I'd got to work. I had no idea what was going on, my heart felt as if it was going to punch its way out of my body...
Luckily a colleague was there, and she talked me through it... and calmed me down (as I was a bit worried). I had a few attacks thereafter, but because I knew what it was...I was able to sit it out, and control my breathing and calm down.
Nothing ever seemed to provoke it...I made a note of when and what I was doing, and there wasn't a pattern. I cannot even remember when they stopped or when I last had one.  ____________________ Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind - Dr. Seuss |
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I've lived with Anxiety for years and found the following most helpful:
Read enjoyable books: a great distraction of negative thoughts especially at night when your mind wanders, plus helps you fall asleep.
Exercise:Train your body hard and heal your mind (jogging is great and is therapeutic).
Tell People: Don't hide it, real friends/family will understand.
Befriend Anxiety: Its a natural friend, not a foe...it just got confused and needs your help to set itself straight
Self-Esteem : Your not crazy, your just thinking things through in a different perspective. You got into this train of thought you will get out of it.
I used to worry much more about what other people will think of me rather than 'oh my god i'm going to die' but in reality loads of people have mental issues and, unfortunately, loads don't do anything about it (unlike you!). Thanks for being open and honest mate i'm sure you'll get your head sorted soon enough  |
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