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PostPosted: 12:03 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Anxiety Dissorder Reply with quote

Been suffering with anxiety/panic attacks for the past 5 years and just wondering if anyone else here does.

My anxiety started due to over indulgence in ecstasy tabs, alcohol, and weed. Apparently the pills I dropped were laced with heroin and I had a very horrible experience and freaked out. Ended up having a huge panic attack (first ever one) that lasted 6-7hours before finally passing out, awoke in an ambulance on the way to the hospital. Docs took my blood and told me the oxygen content of my blood was stupidly high due to the panic breathing. Also found about 7-8 different types of drugs in my system. I honestly thought I was dying.

That was 4years ago and now I am constantly in a state of anxiety. Been to CBT and that helped loads but still fall into a rut every so often. I'm in a rut at the moment with a huge knot in my stomach/chest and just a feeling of being a little mental.

If any of you do suffer, or have suffered with this pain in the ass disorder I was wondering if you had any tips etc? Or just to hear your story would be good.

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PostPosted: 13:27 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Establish the fact in your mind that it's psychological and you're not going to suffer any physical harm, then when it starts to come on you can ignore it. That worked for me, after having them sparked by over-indulging in Ketamine.


That is exactly what I have been practising for the past year mate. It's taken ages to get back to a stage of what I consider normal. But I still have moments every couple of months where I fall back into that crap way of thinking.

The human brain is bloody powerfull it's scary. Mimics loads of symptoms of serious diseases when your suffering with anxiety. I know it won't hurt me but the thought pops in your head... what if? and then I'm screwed for a week having to scrape my way back to an even keel.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure there's people on here who will want to disagree with what i'm about to say and give their opinions on how these drugs are good for peoples minds and arent harmful at all Rolling Eyes ..but what i can tell you from experience is that once youve been damaged by these kinds of drugs you never truly get back to being normal and ,in some way, you will always be a mess.

The damage has been done now, its too late for normality to be regained, so the best you can do now is to learn to deal with the after effects and accept that you've fucked yourself up.
Good luck , you'll need it.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sure there's people on here who will want to disagree with what i'm about to say and give their opinions on how these drugs are good for peoples minds and arent harmful at all Rolling Eyes ..but what i can tell you from experience is that once youve been damaged by these kinds of drugs you never truly get back to being normal and ,in some way, you will always be a mess.

The damage has been done now, its too late for normality to be regained, so the best you can do now is to learn to deal with the after effects and accept that you've fucked yourself up.
Good luck , you'll need it.
Welcome to the 'head-in-a-shed' club Mr. Green


Ha ha,

The Prophet of Doom has spoken!!

I'm going to opt not to believe this information as I refuse to believe that I will be fucked up for the rest of my life. Cool

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PostPosted: 13:52 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Establish the fact in your mind that it's psychological .


Convince your own mind that its not thinking straight....when its the mind that does the thinking anyway?
That's psycological self-parody of the highest order. Mr. Green

You do know that youre completely insane dont you hetz, despite displaying an above average level of intelligence and some very deep insights into the workings of a messed up mind Wink Smile
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have it quite badly when i was a bit younger.

Stuck in my house for 8months.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but whats your definition or 'sane', or 'normal'?

Yeah, we wont go there again. Laughing


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PostPosted: 13:56 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:
Devils Advocate wrote:
I'm sure there's people on here who will want to disagree with what i'm about to say and give their opinions on how these drugs are good for peoples minds and arent harmful at all Rolling Eyes ..but what i can tell you from experience is that once youve been damaged by these kinds of drugs you never truly get back to being normal and ,in some way, you will always be a mess.

The damage has been done now, its too late for normality to be regained, so the best you can do now is to learn to deal with the after effects and accept that you've fucked yourself up.
Good luck , you'll need it.
Welcome to the 'head-in-a-shed' club Mr. Green


Ha ha,

The Prophet of Doom has spoken!!

I'm going to opt not to believe this information as I refuse to believe that I will be fucked up for the rest of my life. Cool

I am the master of my brain..... Hopefully! Neutral


Deny the truth then, most people do. Wink

i'm 20 years post drug abuse and know what im talking about, but you'll see for yourself as you age.Once you change your perception of normal situations through drug use, normal situations will never be normal again, ever.

breathe deep son, breathe deep... Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once went to an outdoor rave thing and it was all a bit last minute. I scored some E from some gentleman who actually told me the were laced with brown but i took 2 off him anyway and off i went. (twat)
I wasn't well at all afterwards, id bitten the whole inside of my mouth, the come down lasted a week but i was ok shortly after. Since then, no pills. That was about 6 years ago.

Must admit, never had a panic attack, although anxiety has got the better of me on the odd occasion. I think my defense has been how Hetz described it, i dont let it in, so to speak.
I know it's bullshit and im better than that so i train my brain to cope and tell it to fuck off.
My best advice, which often is ignored, is to not seek any 'pro' help straight away (not saying you have). Do this alone, obviously use common sense when i say this...if you're staying in doors because of it and thinking really horrible thoughts about yourself and others then yeah maybe get talking to someone.
One thing can lead to another during 'professional' help though, you can become 'used' to just being as you say you are 'anxious'.

I really believe a nice change of scenery is best, get out on a few days out, anywhere of interested really...maybe take something up you've always wanted to...i took up Lomography recently (old skool russian camera stuff).

Your mind is your friend, learn from your mistakes, make up and move on....it will help you out. I've found myself suddenly out of a little bout of anxiety about things in my life and i've hardly noticed im out of it. Everyone, drugs or not will at some stage in their life suffer from stress/anxiety so it's up to you if you believe Devils advocate if you want to describe it as 'messed up'.
Opinions are like ass holes, everybodys gotta have one.
He may view it as messed up, but ive never had any regrets to the things drugs have opened my mind to...no one can take that away from me and im not ashamed ive taken things to the limit. I do it on my bike, i do it with drugs, either way its my character and how i want to walk my path. Karma
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fawbish wrote:



Time heals everything unless you're a complete pussy.



Really,
Go and chop a finger off and tell me when it grows back. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Deny the truth then, most people do.

i'm 20 years post drug abuse and know what im talking about, but you'll see for yourself as you age.Once you change your perception of normal situations through drug use, normal situations will never be normal again, ever.

breathe deep son, breathe deep...


Do you think maybe you have given up on trying to find a way to fix any issues you have? Maybe you have just decided to live with it, and therefore in your personal experience you feel it's something that will never be overcome?

It's been about 1yr 6months since I went to therapy and i'm 80% better than I was. Became agrophobic, had serious social anxiety, and very very dark thoughts. I'm now working and relitively happy with things.

Over the past say 6 years I have gone from feeling like absolute shit to feeling good most of the time, but with moments of pain every so often.

Drugs are brilliant...and at the same time absolutely horrible. Makes me think, if I didn't go through the whole pills/coke/speed period of my life, I wouldn't be where I am now. I don't think i'd change anything if I had the choice.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:
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Deny the truth then, most people do.

i'm 20 years post drug abuse and know what im talking about, but you'll see for yourself as you age.Once you change your perception of normal situations through drug use, normal situations will never be normal again, ever.

breathe deep son, breathe deep...


Do you think maybe you have given up on trying to find a way to fix any issues you have? Maybe you have just decided to live with it, and therefore in your personal experience you feel it's something that will never be overcome?

It's been about 1yr 6months since I went to therapy and i'm 80% better than I was. Became agrophobic, had serious social anxiety, and very very dark thoughts. I'm now working and relitively happy with things.

Over the past say 6 years I have gone from feeling like absolute shit to feeling good most of the time, but with moments of pain every so often.

Drugs are brilliant...and at the same time absolutely horrible. Makes me think, if I didn't go through the whole pills/coke/speed period of my life, I wouldn't be where I am now. I don't think i'd change anything if I had the choice.


It would be pointless for me to tell you what i know mate, the whole drug-thing is something you will have to learn for yourself.If you say youve got 80% better thats great, just 20% to go now then. Idea

One thing i will say though is, is yes i have given up trying to fix certain problems that drugs caused me, because i know when i'm beat.
Trying to get your mind to think like it used to before it had certain experiences, is about as futile as trying to turn back time.
Its not meant to come across as doom and gloom, but the truth often appears that way in the cold light of day and its a bitter pill to swallow.
You either accept it, or you turn away from it and find a way to alter it to salvage something more personally acceptable. Wink


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PostPosted: 14:35 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devils Advocate wrote:

Do you think maybe you have given up on trying to find a way to fix any issues you have? Maybe you have just decided to live with it, and therefore in your personal experience you feel it's something that will never be overcome?

It's been about 1yr 6months since I went to therapy and i'm 80% better than I was. Became agrophobic, had serious social anxiety, and very very dark thoughts. I'm now working and relitively happy with things.

Over the past say 6 years I have gone from feeling like absolute shit to feeling good most of the time, but with moments of pain every so often.

Drugs are brilliant...and at the same time absolutely horrible. Makes me think, if I didn't go through the whole pills/coke/speed period of my life, I wouldn't be where I am now. I don't think i'd change anything if I had the choice.


It would be pointless for me to tell you what i know mate, the whole drug-thing is something you will have to learn for yourself.If you say youve got 80% better thats great, just 20% to go now then. Idea

One thing i will say though is, is yes i have given up trying to fix certain problems that drugs caused me, because i know when i'm beat.
Trying to get your mind to think like it used to before it had certain experiences, is about as futile as trying to turn back time.
Its not meant to come across as doom and gloom, but the truth often appears that way in the cold light of day and its a bitter pill to swallow.
You either accept it, or you turn away from it and find a way to alter it to salvage something more personally acceptable. Wink[/quote]

Yeah see what your saying.

I don't think i'm trying to get back to how I was before the experience. Just want the anxiety to bugger off and i'd be happier.

Just need to learn to be able to accept things I guess. As Hetz says with accepting the whole death thing. It's so much easier said than done though.

So do you still suffer with anxiety symptoms then Devils Advocate?


And Hetz, How do you get to a point where you don't worry about death. You say it easily enough, and I see your point but changing the way my head works is a tough job. Any reading materials you could direct me to?
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devils Advocate wrote:
Trying to get your mind to think like it used to before it had certain experiences, is about as futile as trying to turn back time.


Thats the part of your opinion i dissagree with the most.
This is simply because your mind is different every fucking day you wake up and it should be. The more your brain evolves as an individual is mainly up to you and is constantly effected by the world around you. You can as they say 'stay sheltered' and you may fear very little, but perhaps you don't understand enough, to fear it?

Im not saying im 100% spot on so shut up, but your talking about 'your' experience as if it happened to you in the same way it will affect anyone else. Thats odd.
People have lost the plot having never touched drugs in their life due to the fucking awful things that happen in life...unchangable things, unavoidable things. Some people have taken their own lives because of events that affect them.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different things work for different people. I would probably never had got medicated if I hadn't seen how different things could be on drugs.

That said, now I am medicated I don't take drugs. My meds blocking the effects of coke, ket, and probably acid and amplifiying (to a damaging level) the effects of speed and MDMA makes it very easy to abstain.

I'd say go see a psychiatrist, but make sure you see a good one - this generally means private at around £100+ per session. Your local NHS trust may have access to decent psychiatrists, but they tend to refer all mental health stuff through their quick response teams and such, which are geared up for dealing with people who are seriously schizophrenic, psychotic, bipolar or depressed.

Anxiety is easily dealt with thorugh meds, if meds are the best way to treat you - in many cases counselling makes you worse, particularly if you've found your own ways to be vaguely normal over many years. You don't want to change them, which is why you see a decent shrink who will know what to do, not a junior psychiatric nurse with a box of tissues and a chair near the door.

Off the tops of my head anxiety often goes hand in hand with low grade depression and can be treated with a wide range of drugs. SSRIs (citalopram, fluoxetine, sertraline), SNRIs (I think mirtazapine), MAOIs (generally not used if avoidable) and probably lamotrigine (no one knows why it works, it's an anticonvulsant, but seems to be a bit of a psych wonder drug at the moment).

A good shrink will cost the earth and be worth every penny. Worth getting decent health insurance before diagnosing, if it isn't on your medical record yet.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Devils Advocate wrote:
Fawbish wrote:



Time heals everything unless you're a complete pussy.



Really,
Go and chop a finger off and tell me when it grows back. Wink


*toddles off to try it*

Time would heal the hurt though, and time would allow you to adapt.

Time has a brilliantly positive disposition, I'd say.

Except when you have a deadline. Time gets mean. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:

So do you still suffer with anxiety symptoms then Devils Advocate?



Amongst other things, yes mate i do, but not to the point of being unable to breath properly and having full on panic attacks.The things i suffer from are more subtle, but in their own ways equally as bad.
All the issues i have are purely psychological, not physical, and to be brutally honest i would probably label myself a borderline sociopath due to drugs and i have schizophrenic tendancies too.
When i say sociopath i dont mean in a mass-murderer-nutter sort of way though, but more in a sense that i always feel cut off from general society, i dis-associate myself from just about everyone, and i avoid normal everyday activities as much as i can.

From a distance you would probably think i was one of the most confident self assured people on the planet,and in some ways i am, but if you approached me in the street and tried to engage in a friendly conversation with me, you would soon see my issues rising to the surface and think 'WTF is going on with that guy?'
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I had some amazing experiences when i was off my face all the time but if i could go back, i wouldnt do it again.


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PostPosted: 16:15 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:

Mind over matter. Stop giving a feck and the feck will stop giving you. Aggro. Erm...


Solutions are easily given from an outsiders view arent they hetz.
I suspect that if you had to deal with some of the things that go round in my head, you'd jump off the nearest motorway bridge mate
Wink

None of it bothers me anymore though, i tried to deal with it all and it didnt work and my mind is no longer the same.I cant even say that i actually like who i am these days or how i think either, but its who i am so i just get on with it. Thumbs Up Confused
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been on inderala for years, went through really unhealthy relationship with a girl years ago and kept pushing my personal boundries on what I would accept even though I was being abused mentally.

She drank a lot and was a headfuck basically and I kept trying to help her, when she was sweet she was brilliant when she wasn't she was a cnut. I kept putting myself out there until it made me physically ill.

Only came to a head when I thought I was having a heart attack in work and was rushed to hospital when my muscles stopped working and my face started to spasm SCARY!

once we were finished I spoke with a pro who talked me through it all and helped a lot.
I was offered antidepressants but turned them down and instead took beta blockers for the panic / anxiety they help a lot so much so I stopped taking them.

Started up again when work was stressful as it can be and went back on them.

I get them when I am tired or hungover in busy public places, they make everything seem 2D and lifeless, cant think or function I have walked out of a restaurant on my girlfriend and a mate it was that bad. I had missed the tablets for a few days as I had been fine.

I am not saying that's the answer but to be honest they help me everyday and its only one in the morning.


It is hard to talk yourself down sometimes so I sympathise with you but you need to stay calm and breath normally if your out and about try retying your shoes laces a couple of times, sounds weird but you can get your head straight and carry on.


Its tough mate but I would say you should speak with your GP and try beta blockers and speak to someone they really do help the physical aspect.

Only you know your own attacks and thoughts but a pro can help you make sense of them and let you take a step back.

Good luck and you can Pm me if you want more info on my own experience Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 04 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:


No, I don't think I would. I've survived enough periods in hell to know what and how much I can take, and it's all still in my head. Crushed and locked in a box. Mind over matter.



I understand where you're coming from with the mind over matter stuff but when its psychological issues, mind over mind, its a different kettle of fish.Even more so when the issues are caused by taking a drug or external stimuli, as opposed to a normal personality weakness and 'thing' you dont like doing.
We can all force ourselves to overcome things and to a certain extent we can even retrain our brains, but with some things, its just not possible.
Like you, most of my issues are in a box these days and i leave them well alone, but you cant deny that despite your best efforts to ignore them, they will resurface quite regular and have an impact on the things you do, think, and say.
The question is, do you actually know that they still affect your decisions and views, or do you actually believe that you've got total control over them all and each time one pops out you can just say " oi you, back in your fucking box.I'm not listening to you anymore" Mr. Green Question
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PostPosted: 05:57 - 06 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

After my bike accident, I suddenly started suffering panic attacks... the first one I had was one day after I'd got to work. I had no idea what was going on, my heart felt as if it was going to punch its way out of my body... Shocked

Luckily a colleague was there, and she talked me through it... and calmed me down (as I was a bit worried). I had a few attacks thereafter, but because I knew what it was...I was able to sit it out, and control my breathing and calm down.

Nothing ever seemed to provoke it...I made a note of when and what I was doing, and there wasn't a pattern. I cannot even remember when they stopped or when I last had one. Confused
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 06 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've lived with Anxiety for years and found the following most helpful:

Read enjoyable books: a great distraction of negative thoughts especially at night when your mind wanders, plus helps you fall asleep.

Exercise:Train your body hard and heal your mind (jogging is great and is therapeutic).

Tell People: Don't hide it, real friends/family will understand.

Befriend Anxiety: Its a natural friend, not a foe...it just got confused and needs your help to set itself straight Smile

Self-Esteem : Your not crazy, your just thinking things through in a different perspective. You got into this train of thought you will get out of it.

I used to worry much more about what other people will think of me rather than 'oh my god i'm going to die' but in reality loads of people have mental issues and, unfortunately, loads don't do anything about it (unlike you!). Thanks for being open and honest mate i'm sure you'll get your head sorted soon enough Cool Cool
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 06 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:

... pages of stuff ...

Can I book a session and how much do you charge ?
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