Wheelies (With Video)

[Jayy]

Remember my last topic about pulling wheelies and getting the balancing point correct? An also me saying I run out of revs in 1st gear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzGQ7OhJJcw

That's how I've learnt to wheelie and what happens, I get it up to 7,000rpm then I run out of revs as I get to the top of 1st gear. I've found it near impossible to clutchless shift into 2nd gear on this bike as it's a bit clunky to start with and pulling the clutch in to change to 2nd it drops down.

Any tips / techniques?

[MaybeGuy]

the simple answer is...
YOU ARE NOWHERE NEAR HIGH ENOUGH!

i know it feels big and scary, but just crack it open some more. when the bike starts to feel light, thats where you want to be, and can then change gear n stuff.

ill post a vid for you at some point if i remember.

looks like you're at about 45 degrees from that vid as you can still see the tops of the lamp posts.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[Jayy]

[MaybeGuy]

the bike revs higher because its using up the power to keep it hoisted. you're not at the balance point.

if you're balancing, it needs no effort to stay there, and you can keep it up without running out of revs. you can even slow down and speed up.

try balancing a drumstick upright on your finger. same sort of thing.
if it goes to far one way, you have to leg it after the stick to keep it up.

the bikes legging it after the drumstick basically, then the limiter trips it up. go higher.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[Jayy]

Need to suss the back brake out then cos that feels high to me and I don't fancy falling off backwards at 50mph

[MaybeGuy]

just position your lever slightly lower than normal.
ive found that whenever i get an ''oh fuck'' moment, i instinctively go for my rear brake then my front. same applies on 1 wheel funnily enough.
thats just me though.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[Ghost]

Having the same 2nd gear problem as you with my bike, I've got nearly the exact same bike as you a 1999 ZX6R G2 I'd like to be able to clutch it up in 2nd just because it would mean I can keep them going for a lot longer and faster. Plus it means I can pull a wheelie when overtaking cars in 30 limits which is just the dogs bollocks.

However snapping the clutch out at high RPM in 2nd just makes the clutch slip back to road speed. I've been told by an established wheelie guru that my clutch is shit and I need an uprated version perhaps with higher pressure plates I don't know.

When I'm a bit more comfortable wheelying the bike in 1st I'm going to try again in 2nd. At the moment I'm asking the motor to do all the work lifting the front, while I'm just sitting there doing nothing. I think if I want to get it to lift I'm going to have to stand up, shift my weight back and maybe stagger it with a foot on a pillion peg. I'm hoping if I do all that then give the bars a tug at the right moment it will pick up in 2nd, but it's a hell of a lot to remember and I'm not even comfortable standing up in first yet!

[MaybeGuy]

with the right method you can get a 600 up in 3rd gear (not that anyone beleived me the first time i said it till i proved it)
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[Ghost]

[MaybeGuy]

in fact. your avatar is a perfect example of the problem the OP is having. (not a dig)
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[Ghost]

[G]

As matt says, get it higher.
The higher you get it, the less your revs will be used keeping it up - to the point that at the 'balance point' the revs stay constant.

Going past the balance point you actually need to be slowing down, so the revs dropping, to keep it at that angle.

Covering your rear brake is definitely useful, though just closing the throttle will still do the trick the vast majority of the time.

To change gears you probably have to be a bit higher than you are anyway, I suspect the engine is under too much load.

What happens when you try to clutch in second? With standard gearing they are a bit weak, but should be ok with a proper dump from mid revs.

Ghost: yea, a better/new clutch should do the trick.

[Ghost]

[Jayy]

Ghost's avatar is probably the height I'm managing at the moment but it feels higher! I'm going to start covering the brake and get used to that now before I attempt finding the balancing point, if you give it too much throttle and don't brake, will end up lying on the floor looking at the sky. I know you say you can shut it off but if you give it too much to start with, you're fooked.

[MaybeGuy]

stop being a fanny. you can get twice as high as that (literally)
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[Ghost]

You'd be surprised at how quick your reactions and reflexes can be when you get into (what feels like) a potentially life threatening situation. If you genuinely do hit the balance point without meaning to, you will probably have already snapped the throttle shut and plonked the front wheel down again before you even realise what's happened!

[G]

Also - get someone else to take a video of you - or just leave the camera by the side of the road etc. Better for analysing what you are / aren't doing (and a bit depressing at times, when it felt loads scarier than it looks ).

[Jayy]

I did have some but I can't find the fuckers. I'll get some over the weekend if the weather's decent.

[Ghost]

[J D]

G i need help learning stand ups

And bike is getting serviced tuesday so after that if you want to test the racefit for commuting you can.
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m0l0t0v wrote: Chris, just so you know, JD is a nutter