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PostPosted: 11:39 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Vehicles Without Road Tax Reply with quote

So I've moved on to a newly built development last year, there was a red Nissan Micra with a front puncture parked outside on of the blocks. Now I wouldn't really think much of it, owner probably doesn't have time to get it down to a garage. But no, after takign a closer look the car didn't have any valid tax on it. It stood for six months before the DVLA turned up to take it away. Which begs the question, would you report a vehicle with no road tax? Whether it has been dumped, or you know is currently in use on the road.

The reason I bring this up is becuase there are now THREE vehicles on this one street, an old rusty transit (sorta thing used by High Street market sellers), a ford galaxy with a seriously bald front tyre and one other vehicle which I cant recall. These have not moved position in excess of 4-8 weeks and notes have been left on the Galaxy as it is parked in a marked bay. Get the feeling my street is being used to dump vehicles of questionable history. Are there any checks I can do myself?
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

just report them, i wouldn't hesitate too
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

if they are dumped vehicles (or you think they are) report them to either your local council or the DVLA for no tax. If all else fails ring your local police and report them as suspicious vehicles.... they will do the checks for you.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question is:

Are they doing anybody any harm? Are they on private land? If the answers are no and yes respectively then don't bother.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a few occasions people have used our works car park to abandon their unwanted vehicles. We have found that the simplest and cheapest way to get rid of the shitheaps is to tow them out onto the public highway and let the powers that be deal with them.
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strip them of parts and then report them. Nice little money earner.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, contact the council and tell them. It will take something like 3-4 months for anything to be done, but they will eventually turn up with a truck and remove said offending vehicles.

This very same thing has happened in our street. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Re: Vehicles Without Road Tax Reply with quote

NexusDragon wrote:
Which begs the question, would you report a vehicle with no road tax? Whether it has been dumped, or you know is currently in use on the road.

I wouldn't report a vehicle for having no tax.

I would report a vehicle that's been dumped, regardless of if has road tax or not.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i DO report them!!
if i have to pay it why shouldnt they...

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/UntaxedVehicle/DG_4022073
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

gray84 wrote:
i DO report them!!
if i have to pay it why shouldnt they...

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/UntaxedVehicle/DG_4022073



I do as well, at the last count Ive got 4 untaxed cars in our road towed away.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What ste said basically. If it looks dumped i'd probably ask around a bit and see if I can find out the story.

Had a situation recently which illustrates the point reasonably well.

Was delivering, had to get down this rough track to a yard, came across this BMW, smashed in front, airbags deployed, doors open, no keys. Obviously been thieved, joy ridden and dumped.
https://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/wildgoosey/buggeredbmw.jpg

After a few phone calls and digging around for locals, turns out an elderly chap who lives down the track had ploughed it into a tree on his way out for a drive, he just left it and wandered back home to sort out some recovery. Laughing If I had called it in to the popo, chances are it would just have caused him more hassle.

As far as tax goes, pay or don't pay, make your own choice, but mind your own business about other peoples vehicles.

I haven't got any tax in my van window, sick of people commenting on it, and putting scrap merchant leaflets under my wipers.

It's taxed, but frankly that's no ones business but my own, so get a fucking hobby.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloggsy wrote:
gray84 wrote:
i DO report them!!
if i have to pay it why shouldnt they...

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/UntaxedVehicle/DG_4022073



I do as well, at the last count Ive got 4 untaxed cars in our road towed away.


so they do chase it up then? do they send a letter out or what?
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol my hobbie is spotting them....Wink
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
As far as tax goes, pay or don't pay, make your own choice, but mind your own business about other peoples vehicles...

...It's taxed, but frankly that's no ones business but my own, so get a fucking hobby.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

gray84 wrote:
lol my hobbie is spotting them....Wink

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PostPosted: 22:07 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 22:54 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
gray84 wrote:
lol my hobbie is spotting them....Wink

https://ianparry.cc/community/speedwatch/


nah im not that sad. i just get fed up with people not paying tax's and insurance ect when i have to cough it up on demand. alot of the people i see are always from another fooking country too Mad
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PostPosted: 23:12 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

gray84 wrote:
nah im not that sad. i just get fed up with people not paying tax's and insurance ect when i have to cough it up on demand. alot of the people i see are always from another fooking country too Mad


Insurance perhaps, but how does them not having tax affect you in any way? I don't think road tax even covers its own costs to administer, knowing how bloated and crappy the DVLA are. Someone not having tax is between them and the Government. Insurance is clearly worse as it has the potential to affect you if you are involved in an accident with them.

You're going to end up a sad old curtain twitcher who calls the council because your neighbors bin is a little bit full and he's parked with one wheel on the pavement.

Shopping randoms for no road tax is, lets face it, pretty sad.
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PostPosted: 23:25 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Insurance perhaps, but how does them not having tax affect you in any way?


Does not having your vehicle taxed and/or MOT'd invalidate your insurance? I thought it did but not certain.

Also, I was told when I had to get a replacement tax disc that it's the 'failure to display' that gets a fine regardless of whether I have used a photocopy in the holder or have just kept the original in my pocket.

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PostPosted: 23:28 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
gray84 wrote:
nah im not that sad. i just get fed up with people not paying tax's and insurance ect when i have to cough it up on demand. alot of the people i see are always from another fooking country too Mad


Insurance perhaps, but how does them not having tax affect you in any way? I don't think road tax even covers its own costs to administer, knowing how bloated and crappy the DVLA are. Someone not having tax is between them and the Government. Insurance is clearly worse as it has the potential to affect you if you are involved in an accident with them.

You're going to end up a sad old curtain twitcher who calls the council because your neighbors bin is a little bit full and he's parked with one wheel on the pavement.

Shopping randoms for no road tax is, lets face it, pretty sad.


lol..............

i just feel that if i have to pay it every fooker should. if i dont have tax some bastard would happily report me.
wheelie bins too thats another thing that ennoys me. we get told to recycle but they dont dicount any council tax lol..
people that claim benifits when they dont have to. thats a whole other story... ill stop now Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonka wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Insurance perhaps, but how does them not having tax affect you in any way?


Does not having your vehicle taxed and/or MOT'd invalidate your insurance? I thought it did but not certain.

Also, I was told when I had to get a replacement tax disc that it's the 'failure to display' that gets a fine regardless of whether I have used a photocopy in the holder or have just kept the original in my pocket.

Confused


yep and yep thats what ive always read and believed...
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 12 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonka wrote:

Does not having your vehicle taxed and/or MOT'd invalidate your insurance? I thought it did but not certain.


No... of course it doesn't!!!

WHY would not having a piece of paper in the windscreen invalidate the insurance? MOT, sure, the car isn't certified as roadworthy you can understand how that affects insurance. Not having a license, you can understand how that affects insurance... but Tax, no way. They can't wriggle out of it that way.

The ONLY point to tax in terms of certification is that at the time you buy tax, you MUST have a valid MOT and insurance. However, there is nothing to stop you from having an MOT and Insurance that runs out on the 2nd of the month, and walking into the post office on the 1st and taxing your car. Therefore it proves nothing.

I have road tax, I pay road tax but I can completely agree with someone who might refuse to pay it because they disagree with it. It doesn't mean you're insured, and it doesn't mean your not insured if you don't have it. It doesn't prove the car is roadworthy but it doesn't make the car unroadworthy if you don't have it. It doesn't even prove you have a license.

I think that the government should ditch road tax and put it all on petrol, and instigate a disc system that is in two halves. One half will be the MOT disc, and the other half will be an insurance disc. This would prove insurance and MOT at the roadside.

Its not hard to come up with these things, I'm not a political mastermind or anything, but how would that be different from having tax?

I'm sorry for going into a big rant but I do genuinely believe that whether or not you choose to tax your car is between you, the government and the DVLA, no one else.

Why can't people live and let live? Its just vindictive to shop someone for something like that IMO.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 13 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm Thinking

In the T&C with my bike insurance it says:-

"The Vehicle must be kept or used with a valid Department of Transport test (MOT) certificate, if one is needed. You must also keep to all regulations relating to your motorcycle and it's ownership."

By my reckoning having and displaying a valid tax disc is 'a regulation' to which you must keep in order for your vehicle to be 'legal' whether that is a SORN or an actual disc is relevant only depending on whether these vehicles are on a public highway or not.

I appreciate your 'non shopping' stance but in this case I think that having cars 'dumped' in your locality is something that's pretty undesirable, as it's likely to attract casual break ins/vandalism. Also, they often take up in demand parking spaces. If you wish to keep a vehicle 'off the road' then keep it on your private property or pay to keep it on someone else's, otherwise you should keep it in the way it should be.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 13 Mar 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bearing in mind my car is currently sat on my public roaded drive, it has no tax.


That said, I do tinker with it almost daily and it is parked in a 'bay' designated for my residence.


If I found a car outside that wasn't taxed, meh it's their choice.
If I found a car outside that had no tax, been dumped or been there weeks I'd report it, who knows if there is an owner of it been victim of crime and want it back? - if it's 'legit' but just not been taxed and left for a while then they should of 'stored' it somewhere more suiting. Thumbs Up (not near my drive).
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