Will araldite work on a sump?

[Damon]

Hi all,

I have a slight problem on the R1. I found a small (0.5cm length) hairline crack by one of the mounting points on the bottom of my sump plate. It seeps oil slowly, but its enough to warrent fixing.

I have already drained the oil and cleaned up the surface ready for fixing. My question is, could I use araldite metal epoxy to fix the crack and be done with it? Or should it be replaced? I would take a picture of the crack, but you can barely see it by eye, nevermind a camera...

Cheers all,

Damon

[Pete.]

JB weld is fully oil and petrol resistant once fully cured, but I don't know about araldite. Either way you'll have to remove and clean the casting before application quite thoroughly.

A better option would be to have someone weld over the crack.
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[pepperami]

What caused the crack in the first place?
did someone over-tighten a bolt?
is it a crappy sump-pan?
is the engine vibrating excesseivly?
will the crack continue to get bigger the longer you leave it?

if theres nothing wrong with the way the bike is running then i would replace it IMHO

i have tried using Areldite on metal before and i was`nt that impressed...... but thats just my experiance
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[Damon]

It looks as if its been repaired before so im guessing the repair has just cracked slightly. The thing is though, one of the bolts has been welded into the repair. So to get the the sump plate off I will have to destroy the plate and grind off the bolt. PITA

[map]

Providing it's clean/grease free then I'd say the liquid metal stuff should be ok for a temporary repair.

I used it on a broken brake caliper bracket as a get me home repair.
Lasted a couple of months until I got a replacement from breaker. Was still ok when I took it off, it's now in the spares draw.

HTH
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[Pete.]

A steel bolt will not be welded to an alloy sump, so you should not have to destroy the sump plate.

Most cracked sumps are a result of contact with the ground. No1 cause is heavy-landed wheelies IMO.
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[Damon]

[DrDonnyBrago]

I have used steel epoxy putty on a sump that was riddled with holes.

I was under my car picking rust off the sump when a rust flake came off revealing a hole and pouring hot engine oil down my neck... not pleasant

The sump needs to be rediculously grease/oil free before you begin and you need to key the surface so itll stick.

I had better resutls with the steel epoxy paste with a seperate hardener thah I did with putty - mix up loads spread it on thick and even and hope you covered the hole properly - dont be tempted to push it into the crack or else you might get epoxy bits floating in ur oil.

Once it has cured for a week or so, de grease it again and give it a coat of engine enamel - seemed to do the trick for me

This was about 2 years ago - worked well so far

[chris-red]

Just buy a new one that aren't dear.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Yamaha-R1-4XV-Sump-Pan_W0QQitemZ120548055054QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item1c1139580e

I seem to rememeber someone on a triumph forum only paying £40 for a brand new one from a dealer.
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[supZ]

i've had some big old cracks on sumps before.. got em welded for £20-30.

no probs.

id rather get it done properly than stick a load of 'glue' on it
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[chris-red]

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[DrDonnyBrago]

If you can get the sump for £20 as people have posted, do that!

Itll cost you £5+ for the putty

My car sump was £180 for OEM or £120 for a dodgy chinese copy.... £5 on some glue seemed like a better option on a car worth £500

[Handsome]

This...https://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9726445&fh_view_size=10&fh_location=%2f%2fcatalog01%2fen_GB&fh_search=Epoxy+metal&fh_eds=%c3%9f&fh_refview=search&ts=1269534981802&isSearch=true...worked on mine...

I rate it...
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[Pete.]

[Damon]

Thanks for the link, but that is already ended. The cheapest I have seen them go for is £60 ish second hand. Araldite is the answer in the short term whilst I try and find a decent replacement.

Thanks for the replies.

[chris-red]

[DrDonnyBrago]

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[Handsome]

[Damon]

I gave the guy in the ebay add a call and it turns out they have another one laying about. Offered £25 + £10 postage. Bargain price. Thanks for the link Chris.

I have done the araldite repair and it seems to be holding up for the moment. It should hold until I replace it.

Does anyone know where to get a reasonably priced gasket from?

Thanks, Karma for all

[andybon]

Do wemoto not have the gaskets Or even ebay?

If not a local bike shop should have one in or even get one for you!
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