Anyone ridden both Yamaha WR450F and WR250F?

[Blue_SV650S]

Been thinking about getting a 450 ever since I got the 250, the chassis on the 250 is great, but the 250 motor just lacks low down grunt - which for what I use the bike for is annoying to be honest!!

Anyway, has anyone ridden the 250F and the 450F to let me know if there is any notable difference in handling/feel?? And I do mean the 450 as that is the one I intend to get as it has lecy start!!

I don't think there is much physical weight difference (no more than a full to empty tank on the 250), but that all depends on where it is placed/displaced ...

Looking at the pics, they look almost identical chassis wise ... (need to look up specs really don't I ).

Any insight greatly appreciated
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Might be worth looking at a 300cc or similar conversion? Believe these are supposed to add usable bottom end without compromising the (relatively) light weight characteristics.

[Blue_SV650S]

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I haven't ridden a 250 in anger, but the stuff I've read suggests there is a noticably *bigger* feel. For green lanes I'm not sure it'd worry me too much - CCM and KTM both weigh a chunk more.
My Hussy was fine on lanes and didn't find the extra 'rotating mass' a big issue, though did find it was definitely more tiring than a stroker for involved riding - but I think they are a decent chunk lighter than the Yam's.

[ben_wheely]

[Blue_SV650S]

[silky666]

[Blue_SV650S]

[silky666]

[ben_wheely]

[Blue_SV650S]

I haven't ridden a 300 (in earnest) to say, but if I extrapolate from what the 250 is like then it should be 'ample' but not excessive/stupid ...

My 250 has a 12L tank, so that is ~2.5 usable gallons. Which gives me a range of ~50 miles before dry.

Oh and there is no point having a nice light bike and then slinging a big tank and 25kg of fuel in there!!

To be fair Silky, I don't think the 50mile radius is a great problem from a running out of fuel point of view as there is generally a fuel/lunch stop along the way. But it does mean you have to carry a 2t bottle with you (which is a fag and another upto 1kg strapped on your back all day) and you will smoke out anyone following you ... which as a follower gets pretty 'heady' after a full day ...
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I haven't got any decent evidence, but that seems a bit short for a 12 litre tank. Wonder if your fueling is off?
Might be worth asking on ktmtalk and seeing if that's about right or not.

And - just find somewhere to store a small bottle for 2 stroke on the bike, it's not hard .

[Blue_SV650S]

[boundy]

How many miles from were we live to the top of the local run?

[Blue_SV650S]

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Have you definitely got a 12l tank - as you say 'looking at specs' - I think they come with either 8l or 12l or something.

[Blue_SV650S]

[boundy]

I used less than that, about 14 liters I think.


Tank holds 9.5 and was brimmed when we set off.

Put 7 liters in at the petrol station, with room for a little bit more.

Theres about 1.5-2 liters left in it now.

Turn your phone on, I've been sorting out your hand guards

[Blue_SV650S]

Right, filled up the bike today and it is evidently a 9.5L tank, not the 12L as I assumed (it being the EXC, not the SX I expected the larger tank).


So whilst that does mean it is doing 26.3mpg, not 22.5mpg .... and very slightly lighter on my wallet, it doesn't alter the fact that to a full tank I have a range of ~50miles does it ... it actually exacerbates the problem (see below)!!

Right, with a 9.5L tank, that is just under 2.1 gallons, call it 2 gallons of usable fuel (there is a little bit of slop at the bottom that is clearly under the tap orifice ..... so even at 2 gal and 26.3mpg, that still only gives me a total radius of 53 miles until DRY

Or if you like ... a 12L tankful at its 22.5mpg would get me 59miles until dry ... the 9.5L at 26.3mpg will only get me 55miles until dry ... so you see, although I am getting better MPG than I thought, it actually means range is less not more!!!

Which, if reserve is 1.5L??, I have a 8L main ... so ... ~46 miles until reserve ... not great is it!!

My WR will do the same full trip on 1 tank {click click click} looks like it has a 9.8L capacity. It is on reserve, but NOT dry when I get home; so assuming there is still at least ~0.5L slopping about in the bottom, that works out at ~45mpg

To be honest, the fact it is more juicy isn't the important factor here ... it is the far less flexible range of the KTM that is the PITA ... basically you NEED to be sure there will be a place to fill up at ~40 mile intervals ... and that is a pain!!!

That coupled with the fact it is x-kilos lighter, but that is lost if you need to have extra fuel in the tank ... i.e. at 50% of the way through the ride my WR will be ~5kg lighter, the KTM will not be (as I have just had to fill it right up again to make it home), so if the KTM is say 5kg lighter on the tin it is not in reality if you get my logic!!

Oh and I need to carry ~1/4kg (250ml) of oil for the top up ... and lets face it, I will just take the bottle and whatever is in it, so up to 1kg.
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[CRF_Rider]

lol no showing off here mine only holds like £8 to full from drip dry lol.
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