France's 100 HP restriction

[kage010]

I went to the Honda shop here in France today to talk to them about my idea of bringing a UK CBR 600RR 2009 back to France and to ask about the headlights change etc.

And the guy at the shop said to me that the headlights wont be so much of a problem, the problem will be that the French law states that all motorbikes must not exceed 100 Horsepower, and he claimed that the 2009 CBR 600RR was approximately 126 HP (but after doing some research at home on the net I think its around 118 HP) anyway, and he said that the whole procedure to restrict the HP to 100 would cost upwards from 2000 Euros!

Does anyone know what the actual mechanical procedure to restrict horsepower is and how to reverse it? How the hell can it cost that much? From what I can see from looking on the net is that is is mainly the ECU CDI unit, and it seems that it has something to do with the keys and ignition system?

Can anyone elaborate on this?

I've seen the ECU CDI kit on ebay for around about 350-500 pounds, but it seems that the are selling the un-registered HP ones instead of the HP registered ones. Makes sense really, there probably wouldn't be so many people looking for a HP registered ECU for a bike (apart from me)

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Honda-CBR600RR7-RR-7-2009-ECU-Assembly-Keihin-HISS_W0QQitemZ170452077510QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycle_Parts?hash=item27afbc4bc6

Is it possible to change this unit for a restricted one just for long enough the get it past the necessary French tests and then change it back so it is at its full power?

Anyone know anything about this?

Thanks

[Kickstart]

Hi

I would be surprised if the restriction is just basically the ECU. Would expect them to have used different cams.

Do you know anyone in France who could loan you the parts?

Having said that I know someone who moved to France with a 'busa a few years back. Last I heard they still hadn't got it registered.

All the best

Keith
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[Alex A]

They're only about 105-110bhp at the wheel, and I understand that's what counts.

I'd have thought it would be fairly easy to get a power commander (£300) and a custom power map made (£60) that simply tails the top end off a little to get you under 100bhp.They could measure it all they like and you'll be under.

The benefit of that is that you can easily switch the standard map back in
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[GSF Jamie 600]

does the restriction only apply if your living in france?
or even if you are just riding through?
my bike isn't over 100bhp anyways just interested

[Kickstart]

Hi

Applies for bikes registered in France. Think for the registration its needs to be modified to French specification, and suspect a bodge using a Power Commander wouldn't count.

All the best

Keith
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[Fortuna]

I know for a fact carbed R1's are nothing more than a small rubber insert that prevents the slides lifting.

[ram_doom]

On my German TL1000s it had a restriction in the inlets between the throttle bodies and the motor, and it had a different ecu. All sorted with a dremel and ebay.

The french and swiss models however, had different cams etc, to bring the power below 100bhp.

Worth researching...
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[Pete.]

There's a time limit for keeping a UK bike in France after which restriction is mandatory. I can't remember how long it is but I think it was measured in months rather than years.
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[boundy]

My Dad had is R1 in France with him while he was working out there, he had it out there for 6months+ and didn't have any problems.

Are you moving out there or just working there for a while?

[kage010]

[Kickstart]

[Smooth]

The 100bhp limit seems fairly arbitrary. It must be a nightmare to enforce and comply with.

I do wonder if the typical sports 600 would be easier to ride if it was tuned (cams etc.) to beef up the mid-range at the expense of a few bhp at the redline though...
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[kage010]

Does anyone know of the possibility of the bike shop being able to do the HP restriction where I buy the bike from in the UK? that way it is all authorized and I will have the paperwork for it too?

Silly question I guess, I suppose I'll go call the bike shop...

[alains]

i think you can obtain a temporay registration but i dont know how long for and i am pretty that you will not be able to sold it in france without the administration control document
if you are keen on laws , this site is avaiable (in english also)
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/
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[Robby]

Why not just sell the bike in the UK and buy a French model one in France. Far more straightforward than sorting out restriction, registration, insurance etc.

[boundy]

My Dad was insured by Ebike I think, as they give you 360 days eu cover

[kage010]

[kage010]

I found this on a French bike forum!!..

Exactly what I wanted to hear! I think it will still be a matter of the mood of the person behind the counter, and their knowledge of the topic when I do go to the prefecture to get the bike registered here in France.

Check it out

[wibblywobbly]

I found this thread on a Google search, and I am hoping that someone can unravel a mystery for me.

First of all, who issues the certificate de conformitie? Is it Triumph UK or Triumph France?

Why do I ask?

Well, according to informed sources on one of the French forums, 'Triumph' will not issue the certificate unless evidence in the form of a dealer stamped invoice is produced to show that the headlights have been changed, AND that the power has been reduced.

I rang Triumph UK and customer services confirmed that these two items need to be addressed. The clocks are ok as they can be switched to kms at the press of a button.

I am now confused. If the information provided above is correct, then how can Triumph UK or Triumph France insist on the power restriction? Apparently it requires a remap of the ECU, which is easy enough, though someone on the forum said it required stops in the throttle bodies (which Triumph UK didn't mention at all).

I would happily argue the toss regarding the EEC regs with Triumph UK, but my french isn't good enough to take on Triumph France if I needed to.

As far as the remap is concerned, there would be no way, apart from a dyno test, to see whether it had been remapped. As the whole thing is done by post/paper neither Triumph France or the French authorities would have a clue whether it had been remapped or not.

Apart from which all I would need to do is get someone to rename the UK map as the French one without altering the mapping at all, no one would be any the wiser.

Can anyone shed any light on the procedure, I would be very grateful.

Rob G

[el_oso]

can you not simply put a throttle stop on it?
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[Alexio]

[wibblywobbly]

Thats where I get confused, Triumph will not issue a Certificate De Conformitie unless the changes that they ordain are installed. It isn't just a matter of restricting power, its restricting power in the way that they decide, or they won't issue the certificate, and without the certificate I can't get the Carte De Grise.

I don't know if they are the only manufacturer that works this way, it will be interesting to see what happens with Honda and the CBR600?

Rob G

[Damon]

Does that mean only bikes 2003+ need to be restricted?

If so, Buy a low mileage 2003 CBR. Promlem solved