Why lie? Fucking examiner - UPDATE - Good news

[BlackStallion]

I failed my mod 2 again today

I was happy to admit the stupid mistake i made when i first took my mod 2, but this time i can say for a fact, that the examiner is a fucking liar. I was given two serious faults, one for indicating left, when i was turning right, and the other for being in the left hand lane on a roundabout, for turning right.

I know some people blame it on the examiner and can't admit to their mistakes, but this is just pathetic. I know for a fact i indicated correctly every time, because i look down and see the indicator light flashing. I also know for a fact, that i was in the correct lane on every roundabout, i never go in the left hand lane to go right, and i never did today, full stop.

He also said he didn't have a clue why i indicated right to go round a parked lorry, and indicate left again, to come back over the centre line. I thought it was the right thing to do, but obviously not. I had each indicator on for about 2 seconds. However, I can put my hand up to that if it's wrong, because it did happen, but those two serious faults, are pure bullshit.

If you remember my other thread, i told you the examiner shouted at me for the lorry incident, if i was indicating the wrong way, surely he would have seen it and said something over the radio? Same with the roundabout, but he didn't say a word.

I'm disgusted with the guy, and i've only heard bad stuff about him. The previous owner of my Bandit said he is a twat, his dad calls him a pig, and today, a guy who failed with that examiner, said he didn't like him at all. When i took my mod 1, he told me to sign at the bottom of the page and pointed at the box, so i did exactly that, and he had a go at me saying "Why did you sign there? I told you to sign here" i said that i signed where he told me to, he just came out with "I've been working here for over 20 years, i think i know where i tell my candidates to sign" so it shows what sort of a man he is, arrogant cunt.

There's even two minors for safety and control when pulling away, he didn't even talk to me about them. I wasn't angry at him saying "you've failed" it was the reasons why, i just know for a fact, i never made those mistakes, and it made me feel like shit. I told him straight, what i'm basically telling you, but he wasn't having any of it, i just picked up my papers etc, and walked out.

I just think, if i'd have performed exactly how i did today, but with a different examiner, i think i would of passed, because if it wasn't for the two bullshit serious faults, i would have only got two minors.

I rang up DSA and i've been told to write a letter or email to make a complaint, which is exactly what i'm going to do. If i'd have failed for true reasons, then fair enough, but this was just a waste of my time and money, and it's out of order for an examiner to be like this

[The Artist]

After your first test with this guy, why go back and do another?

[rob_scott92]

Really sorry to hear that mate .

Guy really does sound like a wanker! I'm not sure how it works for mod 2, or at your test centre, but i know for mod 1 at chester there seem to be different examiners on different days. Perhaps it might be worth trying to get a different examiner next time.

thats all i can say really having not been through it myself yet for failing mod 1 twice and it being cancelled on monday! Gotta wait for late march for both of them now!

Try not to feel shit, i know its alot of money which is a bastard too, but go in for it again (with different examiner hopefully) and you should fly through it.

Rob

[BlackStallion]

Well he passed me for mod 1 first time, and last time i took mod 2, i did fail for a legitimate reason, i made a stupid mistake and i understood that i was in the wrong. It's the nearest test centre too, all the others are a good hour or so away.

[chris-red]

I had something similar.

The same examiner failed me first time for not going up the inside of someone on a mini round about I waited maybe 5 seconds
and second because he said a car nearly hit me (may have happened but I doubt it)
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[northernmonke...]

Won't make you feel any better mate, but I too failed today. Had a perfect run then 2 mins from the end of my test, I left my indicator on. Could have sworn i pressed the button, but obviously didn't!


I'm gutted too, but do have a car licence and no bike sitting waiting for me.

I think however, you'll not have much of a case for a complaint, that's why they employ him mate, so he can make the decision based on your riding. Maybe if enough people have complained about him, then they may make a case in look into his examinations, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Besides, there's nothing to say that you won't get him again for your next test, only this time, your name really is etched into his brain!

Good luck matey

[Devans]

I also failed this morning for the 2nd time.

Doubt it'll make you feel any better though

My faults were bad habbits when moving positions, i'd move then check my obs then signal, insted of, mirror, signal maneuver.

Sucks, but 3rd time lucky!

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Book elsewhere and travel, you will feel in a better mood for it, and proberly meet a fairer examiner ...
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[Darth]

I know it is probably not what you want to hear but my DAS instructor told me that they wont pass people if they get a vibe that you are not confident or capable enough on the bike or the same if they think you are over confident. So basically if the guy was not happy with your riding in general then he will find some way to mark you down so you need to resit.

Or the dude could just be cock like you say.

Either way, i would imagine you would unlikely to get far with a complaint. Best just suck it up and hope it goes better next time.

Sorry you failed though. Hope the next attempt goes better for you
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[lydanial]

get a couple of mates with camcorders to follow in cars next time, and keep swapping over with each other recording every bit of the test.

Then if he is a prick who just fails people take the video, review it and if hes wrong march back with a copy of your fail cert and the evidence.

[Carl_steveo]

What has he got to gain from doing that, your not likely to go back are you.

Feel for you milkster thats a bit shit.
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[Ditto]

Unlucky matey. These things happen though, and there isnt much you can do apart from pick yourself up and rebook another one. Maybe at another centre. Then enjoy the longer ride there which will help you feel more prepared for it.

When you pass you will definatley forget about this fail so best thing to do is book another asap.

If it makes you feel any better, my Bandit is currently in pieces outside on the road as im trying to mend it, so I cant ride mine either
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[Blau Zedong]

I'm calling BS on this one. I just can't see an instructor telling outright lies. One thing I will say is that it isn't uncommon for instructors to give short shrift to those not taking their test using a driving school vehicle, i.e. those assumed to be "self taught".
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[kate t]

Bummer. That guy sounds like a bullying control freak.

This is probably the last thing you want to hear at the moment, but use this as more experience, It's going to make you a stronger rider in the end. When you do pass it'll be faultless.
When I kept failing my mod 1, I was so frustrated I cried... not in front of the instructor or examiner, that would not have been very But, never did I once want to give up.

[kawakid]

Sometimes people aren't aware of their failings or mistakes.

People can drive/ride for years and not realise they aren't doing things correctly.

Attitude, appearance and politeness will often work.
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[27cows]

The more attempts it takes people to pass their test, the more revenue is generated. Considering the lengths the old bill go to in their quest to fine people for ridiculously petty stuff, it's not too much of a leap to believe examiners are told to be tough and fail for any little thing.
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[BlackStallion]

Cheers everyone for all your thoughts, there are some good replies there. I have to agree, complaining is going to get me knowhere, and an examiner that has been in the job for over 20 years has far more power over a 17 year old on a CBT. So i'm going to take it on the chin and book another mod 2 ASAP. I just feel harsh for other people, they could go through the same thing, and it's not right, i've already heard peoples opinions of the bloke, so he has got a reputation for being a twat.

If that's true Darth, then that's just out of order, if someone rides well during there test, then it should be a pass, as long as they stay clear of serious faults and don't get to many minors, then it shoudn't matter if you're nervous or over confident. It just goes to show doesn't it...

Sorry to hear Ditto, i hope you get it up and running soon, it must be even worse for you, because you CAN actually ride the bike.

BLUEX5, you can think what you like mate, i don't care if you think i'm a bullshitter, i'm just stating the facts, i wouldn't lie myself, i'm not that sort of person, i'd happily own up to my own mistakes, if i made them, but that wasn't the case here.

Thanks for the support Kate, i was sitting in my living room with my gear on ready to go, when my phone went off and got your comment on Facebook, wishing me luck, which was really nice, so thanks for that

kawakid, i understand people make mistakes, and can be unaware that they've made them, but i was 100% sure i didn't commit those faults. I was really polite to him this morning, i asked how he was, and he just said "Fine" he was really grumpy. As for appearance, i was wearing my textile jacket and trousers, my boots, i wasn't wearing trackies and a hoody like some people. My textiles match the colour of my bike to, if that helps.

[pepperami]

[Ditto]

I wore a high viz to both my modules and it went down well. Even got a comment about it after my mod 2 saying it was sensible.
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[swanny]

i did my test on a school bike, shook hands with examiner and told him his bike was fricking awesome (pan european), passed with one minor happy as larry...

but othersdont like the guy, i just made sure he knew i was a nice bloke with right attitude..
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[Imonster]

Examiners don't have quotas.

Doing it on your own bike will make no difference to their perception of you - assuming it's roadworthy anyway, and it looks good from the pics (my girlfriend got a clean sheet on her own bike when she passed)

That said, the examiner could have just been a cock - if you believe this to be the case then please get that in writing to the DSA. If there are several complaints against him then hopefully they'll look into him.

More importantly, good luck with your next test
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[stinkwheel]

Could there be an intermittant electrical fault on your flashers? You can't see what the back ones are doing.

Driving examiners are trained and expected to behave like arrogant cunts. It's part of the course and if the DSA catch wind of you behaving in a friendly manner, they make your life difficult. That is straight from a guy I know who left his job as a driving examiner because the stress of it was making him ill.
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[Imonster]

If that's true, then one of the examiners down here has been sailing very close to the wind for 3 years plus - guy's a legend
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[Alexio]

I agree with whoever mentioned video evidence. You could either ask the examiner to mount a very small video camera on his bike or simply have someone follow the both of you if he refuses. You could definitely film what you are doing on your bike as well with two cameras facing forwards and backwards (that have your indicators within view). That way if you really felt so inclined you can present him with video evidence and threaten him with the law or complaining to the DSA.

Also, if you do have a rear facing camera you could send footage of him riding to the DSA if you notice him doing anything very dangerous. Not that it would do much but if he saw what you were going to send them it might further leverage your situation.
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