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Rufus
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: riding betterer Reply with quote
so today i went for a ride and for the first time got as close to a kneedown as i could without ma kneesliders but i shit a brick doing it and felt like i was riding like a noob.

are there any low cost (preferably free Razz) ways to self improve my riding? i.e. book or dvd recommendations as im starting to take my riding a little more seriously and want to get better.

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PostPosted: 20:40 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
There no substitute for seat time! Practice, practice and more practice Smile

Try and save up, and book your self a track day, you will be suprised just how much your bike can do!
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Someone posted a torrent not long ago for Twist of the wrist 2 by Keith Cope (there is a DVD and a book), download that it's cheesy as hell but the information in it is excellent.

EDIT: Try that one

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5170151/Keith_Code_Twist_of_the_Wrist_vol.2_DVDRIP
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skatefreak
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
How much are track days?
I personally jst keep going out with every excuse i can think of and am slowly getting comfortable on the bike.

This being said, its only an NSR125, would it be worth taking it to a track day, i dont have full leathers and dont fancy red lining around a whole track but would be tempted to do out and try pushing the bike. Just dont fancy being the only one out there not doing 50,000mph round bends and having people eyeing *that nsr kid*.

Best regards

-Jvr
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Re: riding betterer Reply with quote
Rufus wrote:
so today i went for a ride and for the first time got as close to a kneedown as i could without ma kneesliders but i shit a brick doing it and felt like i was riding like a noob.

are there any low cost (preferably free Razz) ways to self improve my riding? i.e. book or dvd recommendations as im starting to take my riding a little more seriously and want to get better.

cheers guys Thumbs Up


Not knowing anything about your riding history, i'd suggest a safe bet is Bike Safe. Could be cheap in your area, i only paid £20 for my place in a few months time.

That is, assuming you actually mean trying to ride "better" in the way of safer, because there are a lot of people out there that seem to define "good" riding in the way of getting your knee-down and hooning around, which is not the same as making safe and swift progress. I'd like to think i aim towards the latter, but it's a little unclear from you post which of these "betters" you mean.

If you want to practise track techniques such as the knee-down, i do suggest considering a track day. Or at least checking the road is safe and the coast is clear before you "practise" Cool
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Rufus
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Re: riding betterer Reply with quote
Ingah wrote:
Not knowing anything about your riding history, i'd suggest a safe bet is Bike Safe. Could be cheap in your area, i only paid £20 for my place in a few months time.

That is, assuming you actually mean trying to ride "better" in the way of safer, because there are a lot of people out there that seem to define "good" riding in the way of getting your knee-down and hooning around, which is not the same as making safe and swift progress. I'd like to think i aim towards the latter, but it's a little unclear from you post which of these "betters" you mean.

If you want to practise track techniques such as the knee-down, i do suggest considering a track day. Or at least checking the road is safe and the coast is clear before you "practise" Cool


my end goal is like you say, safe, swift progress. getting the kneedown is a benchmark for me as i used to have huge chicken strips. i bought my current bike with chicken strips and am slowly edging them out which is progress for me.

i did get the knee down on a NSL, open road so it wasnt done under unsafe confitions. i just want to know my riding is improving is all.

have considered a track day but only have the one sportsbike and only have a 33bhp licence until the end of this year atm which is holding me back tbh.

will check out that twist of the wrist thing also donny, thanks for posting the link.
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
skatefreak wrote:
How much are track days?
I personally jst keep going out with every excuse i can think of and am slowly getting comfortable on the bike.

This being said, its only an NSR125, would it be worth taking it to a track day, i dont have full leathers and dont fancy red lining around a whole track but would be tempted to do out and try pushing the bike. Just dont fancy being the only one out there not doing 50,000mph round bends and having people eyeing *that nsr kid*.

Best regards

-Jvr


I think you need full leathers to go on track, either 2 piece that are zipped together or 1 piece.

You also need a full licence (Some tracks won't allow a restricted A2 holder on)
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Ingah
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
BillingTZR wrote:
You also need a full licence (Some tracks won't allow a restricted A2 holder on)


I've been led to believe, that some tracks don't check Thumbs Up

I certainly understand the problem though, i've thought about track days before, but my 33BHP license did put me off (it's over now. Finally.)

You can take the restrictors off for the track, but the idea of arriving and having to derestrict the bike at the start and then restrict it at the end, and not bin it in-between, just seemed too much effort.

Methinks that Bike Safe would indeed be useful as it's supposed to be a "go-between" for the basic test pass, and "taster" for "proper" advanced training like IAM/whatever. I'm on it for this reason, anyway. It also, despite being done by the police, seems to have very positive feedback and no over-the-topness on the rules (they encourage "making progress" on NSL's, for example, despite the fact i'd normally expect to see them camping out on said NSL's waiting to give you a ticket for that exact same riding that they're admitting is sensible Wink)
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 27 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have been riding motorcycles on the road since I was 16. I am now 32 and I have never had my knee down, nor do I have any aspirations to.

Getting your knee down is merely a measure of how far you are prepared to hang off your motorcycle.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Re: riding betterer Reply with quote
Rufus wrote:

for the first time got as close to a kneedown as i could without ma kneesliders......

.....i did get the knee down on a NSL, open road so it wasnt done under unsafe confitions. i just want to know my riding is improving is all.



So did you actually get your knee down?

Someone I know told me something similar about getting his knee down, which surprised me given that he wears Draggin jeans. It turned out that he didn't get his knee onto the ground, despite 'getting his knee down' Rolling Eyes


I've never got my knee down and never expect to.

Read the books, put the theory into practice and do the road courses. Track days would be fun, but cost a few quid.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd agree with the comments above.

I've read and watched the twist of the wrist stuff. It's very good, I think the most important thing it has taught is about how much throttle control/braking affects handling in different situations.

Initially when I read it I slowed down to learn/change my riding a little but now find it better, only issue is my 'solution' for corners im nervous of grip in (certainly front grip) is to put a bit more throttle on. Im just shit scared of getting a rear slide now
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R6jonny
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Re: riding betterer Reply with quote
Rufus wrote:
Ingah wrote:
Not knowing anything about your riding history, i'd suggest a safe bet is Bike Safe. Could be cheap in your area, i only paid £20 for my place in a few months time.

That is, assuming you actually mean trying to ride "better" in the way of safer, because there are a lot of people out there that seem to define "good" riding in the way of getting your knee-down and hooning around, which is not the same as making safe and swift progress. I'd like to think i aim towards the latter, but it's a little unclear from you post which of these "betters" you mean.

If you want to practise track techniques such as the knee-down, i do suggest considering a track day. Or at least checking the road is safe and the coast is clear before you "practise" Cool


my end goal is like you say, safe, swift progress. getting the kneedown is a benchmark for me as i used to have huge chicken strips. i bought my current bike with chicken strips and am slowly edging them out which is progress for me.

i did get the knee down on a NSL, open road so it wasnt done under unsafe confitions. i just want to know my riding is improving is all.

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You will never see a police bike with a knee on the deck and they make pretty swift, safe progress.

The only reason for getting kneedown on the road is showing off, it wont make you faster all the time you are trying to do it. Once you get faster it will happen anyway but then you will be going pretty quick for the road..

If you want to learn to do it for tartyness play on roundabouts, otherwise i wouldnt worry about it too much
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 28 Apr 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rufus, I'm lead to believe you can do Pembrey on a restricted licence.
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