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Danny
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 08 May 2010    Post subject: What camera for track bike? Reply with quote

I'm looking for suggestions for a HD video camera to permanently fit to my track bike.

It needs to be at the very least 720p and preferably resistant to shocks and changes of light intensity.

Willing to spend up to around £100, preferably less though.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Re: What camera for track bike? Reply with quote

Do you really NEED 720p - I'd focus on better quality in the first place.

For permanent fitting, I think I'd consider something like the Samsung HMX10, wire it in to the bike electrics directly and make an anti-vibration mount.

£100 is going to be really pushing it for something that can adjust reasonably quickly to lighting changes.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Put a zero on the end of the price and get one of these:-

https://www.videovbox.co.uk/

I agree with G that you will really struggle to get anything useful for anything like £100.

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PostPosted: 11:21 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double it and you can get a 1080p GoPro HD wide.
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd also be tempted to look at the Kodak zi8, Flip HD and Samsung HMX-U10 - these are all 'flat' ones.
The samsung at least offers 60fps for 720p and lets you charge while using it, including from USB I believe - so easy to have wired in and only worry about changing SD card as needed.
lllN30lll wrote:
Double it and you can get a 1080p GoPro HD wide.

Sadly, the more I see them, the less I like the footage of the 'wide'.
While I really like ultra-wide angle for a lot of stills, I find the perspective it offers is a bit distracting for bike videos. Might be better in the nose cone of a track bike, but still I expect it would look a bit weird on straights etc.
Can't find it, but there was a video a while ago done with a system which pointed a camera up at a reflective dome to get 360 degree video - interesting, but horrible to watch, that of course was a bit more of an extreme example.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fisheye effect is only on 720p, when you set it to 1080p it goes wide and removes the effect Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 09 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

lllN30lll wrote:
The fisheye effect is only on 720p, when you set it to 1080p it goes wide and removes the effect Thumbs Up


What about the 720p 60FPS? Because I was interested in some "slow motion" stuff still with a decent resolution. Sounds like a strange option. I can't wait to try it out tomorrow when I get mine anyway.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 10 May 2010    Post subject: Re: What camera for track bike? Reply with quote

Thanks for the suggestions guys, just need to google all those cameras now.

G wrote:
Do you really NEED 720p - I'd focus on better quality in the first place.


Don't /need/ 720p as such, but I don't /need/ a track bike either! Laughing

When you say better quality, what measure(s) of quality are you referring to?

PS. could stretch to £200, maybe even £300 for the right camera.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 10 May 2010    Post subject: Re: What camera for track bike? Reply with quote

Danny wrote:
PS. could stretch to £200, maybe even £300 for the right camera.


Get a Go Pro HD then Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 10 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

See what you mean about the 1080p – odd that it’s got the relatively wider angle on the 720p.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 10 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a trackday with focused events (yeah, I know) last week and they said they won't let anyone out with a camera mounted on top of the tank or on your helmet for insurance reasons. Dunno what other companies are like but may be worth checking if you're wanting it mounting in one of these places Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 10 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks MarKJ, I try and avoid Focused Events trackdays as they are the least well run IMO. But if it's genuinely for insurance reasons then others may follow suit.

I wasn't going to mount in theses places for safety reasons, but useful to know anyway!

Not sure where I'm going to mount it yet, I guess it depends on the camera. Need to look up some mounting types, as the off the shelf mounts seem mostly to either by handlebar or tank mounted.
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 10 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most companies, IME, advise against tank mounts and have done for years.

Bulletcam, pipe insulation, 2 cable ties and a couple of holes drilled in the fairing = a mounting system that never fails.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm looking at normal cameras Bendy as they seem to be better quality for the price. Although the pipe insulation idea is good.

Went into a few local tec shops and tested their HD cameras, the Panasonic HDC-TM10EB-S was by the best by miles.
But quite far above my original budget at £400!
Interesting that for £50 extra at John Lewis I can get a 3 year guarantee that covers accidental damage. Smile
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a Pansonic HD-SD9 you're welcome to use in a semi permanent fashion, as I hardly use it. Could be hard wired in to the bike easily enough and I've wondered about it before.
Take headlights out I reckon, then mask the area and cut a hole for the camera.

Ideally get a cheap large UV lens to stop insects on the actual lens.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 11 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the answer to the question what camera for a track bike is.... what ever your mate down the road has kicking about. Laughing
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