engine swap, bike vs car?

[skatefreak]

Hey,
To cut a long story short, one of my parents cars (a 1.6 rover 25) committed suicide the other day, cab belt and something else decided to do something unusual and basically the engine is apparently fooked (or so I’m told over the phone, when turning the engine over it sounds like there is sand in there as well?!?). Anywho, being a student and my partner needing a car towards the end of the summer (and me to girly out in the worst of the winter!) I’m planning to revive this car as its still in great condition (bar the engine of course!).

So why is this in the technical section of a motorbike forum?

Well, much of what I have learnt has been from the two motorbikes I’ve had since last summer and most of what I learnt was from people here so it would be fantastic if anyone could explain to me what is involved here compared to a bike?

Okay, a car isn’t a bike but from what I gather its not to unusual to pick up an engine from a breakers and put it in another bike (which is exactly what I’m planning but with a car :p).

Any advice would be great, my brother is qualified to work on airliners so his know how will make the project far more possible but from the perspective of finding an engine, how much am i looking at, how to transport it, lift it?! Etc?

Again, not exactly the same as a bike (engine in the back of the car) but i’m hoping someone could give me a little advice here 

I love working on bikes, once the NSR is 110% I want to rebuild a nice sports 600 but it looks like for now, fate has landed me a slightly different opportunity

Any thoughts would be much appreciated!
Mods, if you’d like to move the thread, feel free, its only here as I’m hoping I can get a comparison between car/bike work.

Best regards

-Jvr

[Frost]

A sandy sounding noise when trying to start isn't certainly a fucked engine, might just be the starter motor, starter clutch or gearing. If you want experience on working with a bigger engine I suggest stripping the car to try to fix it. If its fucked anyway you've lost nothing. If it's fixable you've saved the car.

Engine just needs disconnecting from all pipes, wires and cables. Take the exhaust off the front of the engine (difficult i find!). Loosen all the engine mounts, get a hoist on it and get it out. The engine has to come up rather than down. do the opposite to put it back in. Car engines aren't such a pain for sheering off bolts as they tend to be bigger, but they also tend to be dirty and corroded to fuck so you'll probably get to smack lots of things with a hammer

Mechanically car and bike engines use the same principals, things are just bigger, heavier.

[skatefreak]

Thats fantastic news
My only real concern is lifting the bugger, heck i dropped my 125 4t engine putting it back in my old bike lol...

As for the state of the engine in there at the moment, as the cam drive belt went and various other bits, I'm fairly sure it's foo-bar but will have a look into it when i pop home later in the week.

The reason I'm not planning to get it out, strip it down and see if its repairable is because its at my parents house, i dont have the space to do anything like that here and they wont fancy a car engine strewn around their garage for ages, i'd like to keep it as quick as possible (thus straight swap) as I dont fancy going back and forth from here to there either (study and work away from family home ).

Any ideas how long something like this would take with a set of tools fit for an airline (accept a winch of course, might have to try figure that out somehow ).

Once this is done i can start concentrating on the important things like trying to get my hands on a 600 bike as the other half will probly let me get away with stripping something like that down here

Best regards

-Jvr

[mr rip]

I'm not 100% sure but isn't the 25 a front wheel drive?

if so it's going to be quite a long job, you'll need some axle stands to get the front end off the floor cause the front stub axels will have to be striped down to get the drive shafts out of the way, I couldn't say, without looking at it, exactly how far you'll have to go with stripping them as they're all different, sometimes you can get away with just cracking the top ball joint, track rod end & suspension leg & leave it hanging on the botom ball joint

you'll probably want a ball joint splitter aswell

you'll want a pretty hefty block & tackle as the engine & gearbox are all in one & they are bloody heavy
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[P.addy]

dump a rover 75 1.8 lump in

the 25/45/75 any rover really isnt worth fixing the engine.. especially as they are timebombs in regards to head gasket failure.

if its cambelt snapped, then you may have twatted a valve or 4... easier to just whip the rocker cover off and have a look.

watched someone repair the other guitarists Rover 25...it was quite simple and needed the right tools... but as i said...its a time bomb..

[Billing]

get a honda engine in it, I think its the D series engines that are shared with Rovers.

I can't remember what we did to the 220D we took the engine out of, I think we did one side at a time and popped the drive shafts out of the hubs and then turned it into a rolling chassis
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[hmmmnz]

being a front wheel drive they are an arse,
but anyway, if you are going to do it then...
you'll have to decide if you want to swap both the engine and gear box or just the engine,
its probably easier to do both engine and box at the same time,
you'll have to drop the axles as said above, but you'll probably also have to whip out the suspension and arms ect alog with the radiator to give yourself a bit more room to get the tightly squeezed engine out,
front wheel drive cars are a bastard, old carb'd soobies is where its at in reguard to engine changes,
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[Walloper]

Vaseline. Front wheel drive is/are a bsatart. Hee-haw space around the block to get in with normal tools.
Most of the disconnecting is on/from the underside.
Engine Management/Immobilizer could be an issue if it is remote (probably) from the engine.
Lifting the engine will be the most difficult bit to overcome.

Not so much lifting out and in but moving out of the engine compartment and moving the replacement back in.
Not impossible if you have a garage or a suitably big enough tree in the garden you can hoi a rope over.
If you do not have the lift then you increase your chance of serious personal injury or breaking engine/car.

I have swapped out tons of engines.

Take hundreds of photographs of the engine first and from every angle in some sort of methodical manner. YOU WILL NEED THESE LATER. Mibby more than a crane.
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